Anyone else notice that WinWings PFP3N for the B73 Max 8 is the wrong keyboard layout. The closest one they have is the PFP4N which they say is for the 747 series. Unfortunately neither the PFP4N or the PFP7N which both are closer to the MAX’s FMS layout won’t work in the plane with SimAppPro software. Any suggestions on how to get the PFP7N to work with the MAX ?
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The PFP3N is for the 737NG series aircraft, not the MAX unfortunately.
You can use Mobiflight to get them working. I doubt there are any profiles for the PFP4N as I can’t imagine many people have bought it yet, so you’d have to make your own. There might be something on flightsim.to for using the PFP7N with the FSLabs aircraft though.
Thanks for the quick response. I meant to say the PFPF7N. I will look on Flightsim.to, I am just surprised that people aren’t saying anything about the difference, even thought WinWing bills the PFP3N as the FMC for the MAX, which is not correct.
I remember discussing this difference with someone on a forum a while back, so it’s not like nobody ever talked about it.
There’s really nothing surprising here - nothing we should be shocked about. Honestly, I don’t get your surprise that the layout is different. Of course it’s different - these are two different aircraft and you should know that. Also, note that Winwing says the PFP3N is compatible with the iFly 737 Max 8, not that it’s identical. The PFP3N is mainly made for the PMDG 736, 737 and 738 - but not for iFly 737 Max 8.
BTW, the topic title is misleading. FSLabs has never developed any Boeing aircraft - they focus exclusively on Airbus. So “FsLabs B73M” doesn’t make any sense. There’s no such thing. You’re probably thinking of iFly.
You are correct its IFly’s Max 8 was thinking of the wrong developer when I wrote this post, that has been corrected.
You are correct they say its compatible, but they are selling replica airliner FMS for flight simulators and since WinWing calls them PFPs customers look to the website to know which FMS out of the 4 would be the Replica of the one that will replicate the plane they wish to fly. The FMS that should be listed by WinWing to replicate the 737 Max 8 should be the PFP4 not the PFP3N its misleading is all I am pointing out.
Thank you for your comment.
PFP units aren’t replicas - they’re designed for virtual flying, not to be exact 1:1 copies of real FMS units. If the layout of the PFP3N doesn’t suit you, you could’ve gone with the PFP4 and used it with MobiFlight to make it work with MSFS 2020/24 and iFly, bypassing Simapp Pro entirely. Simple as that.
Nothing’s stopping you from simply swapping the buttons around to match the layout you want. You can also use Spadnext to connect it to the sim - that’s exactly what I do, along with the iFly plugin. I don’t need Simapp Pro at all. And if some labels bother you, just stick a label over them like turning
“DES” into “VNAV"
“CRZ” into “ATC”
or whatever fits your setup. This gear is flexible - you just have to tweak it to your needs.
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What’s the best choice from Winwing for the iFly 737 … closest buttons and easiest to get working (MSFS 2024)?
just noticed, with the winwing app, the PFP3N “DES” page isnt set to the MAX “VNAV” function. Why wouldnt they just assign that button? does anybody know how we can self assign them in Winwing app?
Because VNAV encompasses more than just descent. It is the entire vertical profile for the aircraft - climb, cruise, step-climbs if applicable, and descent. So picking which function to assign to the physical VNAV button is kind of arbitrary.
I run into the same issue when using my PFP7 with the PMDG 737NG series. SimAppPro supports the NG, but some buttons just don’t line up 1:1 because they are different boxes. Same when I use my PAP3 MCP and EFIS panels with the 777 - the functions are mostly the same but the layout is different. Just what we have to deal with.
(And it’s more complicated for PFP4 and PFP7 users, are SimAppPro does not - yet? - support these CDUs with the iFly MAX, at least as of the last time I tried - gotta use Mobiflight, Spad or something to run them).
The thing is, and I believe that’s what @HXArdito meant, that there is no DES button on iFly Max’s FMC and there is no VNAV button on PFP 3N. So the most logical thing would be to assign DES button on PFP 3N to the VNAV button in Max’s FMC (most Mobiflight profiles for Airbus PERF button which is similar to Boeing’s VNAV deal with it this way). I’m not 100% sure now but I think natively there is no button on PFP 3N assigned to VNAV and I must push the virtual button in the airplane for that which is annoying.
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Thanks, I’ve never used Spad.next. I’ll check that out.
Unfortunately i didnt get the MCDU working with spad yet, ill have to try again and watch a tutorial i guess.
the display just showed the spad menu.
However, on wingwing discord they told me that they will fix this, lets see…
Don’t use SimApp Pro and SPADneXt at the same time, they conflict with each other. Did you update PFP3N firmware to the latest version? Also, which SPADneXt version are you running?
Latest spad complete edition, expert mode, winwing supp enabled, latest WW firmware, no SimApp running.
But as said, im gonna try again, maybe i missed something, need to watch a Les tutorial i guess 