Working Title CJ4 Discussion Thread

They’re working “behind the lines” together with the official MS/Asobo developer team now, and they have said that the CJ4 mod is on their list of things to build in properly, so that it can be further improved. But there are many things on that list, so I suspect it may still take a while.

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Does anyone know how to calibrate the throttle for the CJ4? Flying with the Logitech throttle quadrant and can’t dial in the CLMB throttle settings. After reducing from take-off power, I have to lower down to CRZ and then manually adjust with the mouse and by that time I’m in stall…

Flying from Kathmandu to Dushanbe, along the HImalayas, in CJ4 Working Title. I’m at 42,000 feet, and have TERR turned on in my MFD. As sceen in the screenshot, I’m getting Red terrain warnings ahead. Since Mt. Everest is the highest point on the earth at a bit over 29,000, are there some new mountains, or is this by design?

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I’ve never seen this after hundreds of hours with WT CJ4 although I’ve flown higher than FL420. But it seems to be a feature judging by this response here:

This is actually working as intended. At a certain altitude, the PL21 terrain display stops being relative and just shows high peaks. I’m not totally sure why it is this way (the intention behind it isn’t in the books anywhere), but my guess is that they wanted it to show at least something at cruise to give an indication of the terrain below.

Cool, thanks for the info! I’ve noticed some peculiarities with both WX and TERR modes…sometimes it seems to keep the exact same weather image for a while, but when I turn WX off and back on, it updates. Thought this might be something similar, but I guess it’s intended behavior.

WX radar not updating in all aircraft is a known bug I believe and it’s been mentioned in several places, e.g. Weather Radar not working? - #26 by FocalSugar28090

In the CJ4 all I do is refresh the radar from time to time. I read that a fix will be released via SU8 (end of this month), so all we can do is wait.

Yeah, but it feels like miss-leading information. What if you have restricted visibility, and you’re completely IMC. Regardless of whether you’re at FL420, seeing RED on the terrain radar means stay the heck away and don’t fly into it.
What am I missing here, because if this true to RL, it seems that it could cause major distress for the crew.

No idea, it seems counter-intuitive to me as well and I don’t see the reasoning behind this. Like I said I’ve never experienced this myself in WT CJ4, but then I’ve never flown over such high terrain. In their Discord I found that:

I think Matt said that beyond a certain range it stops being relative and displays just high terrain

Which is good enough for me. Let’s complain to Collins Aerospace (creator of PL21) for once, instead of Asobo :slightly_smiling_face:

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Haha, yeah, we’re good at complaining!

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I have a Navigraph charts subscription, so I can display charts on the MFD. If it’s zoomed in, the joystick on the MFD control panel can be used to slew the map. But using my mouse, I cannot seem to manipulate the joystick. I use the legacy cockpit interaction. Any ideas?

The joystick only works in Lock mode. Personally, I’m not a fan of lock mode which is one of the reasons I don’t fly the CJ4 as much as I used to.

Thank you! I switched to Lock mode. I’ll get used to it.

Does anyone else have difficulty with yaw control during cross wind takeoffs?
I find the CJ4 to have twitchy rudder control, that leads to weaving during the takeoff roll (agaib, I’m talking during crosswind takeoff). I find that at rotation, or close to it, I almost always yaw pretty badly into the wind, and opposite rudder either isn’t enough, or I don’t have the balls to use full rudder deflection. I always veer dangerously close to the edge of the runway, and I tend to yank the aircraft into the air. Then, because I have so much rudder input, the first couple hundred feet of climb out are anything but smooth as I neutralize the rudder and get coordinated.
Every crosswind takeoff I do is pretty much like this. It’s very messy and unsatisfying.
Anyone else have this?

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Me, 100% of the time. Very difficult to take off straight.

Using Saitek rudders with the sensitivity settings proposed here. Don’t think it’s the aircraft’s fault, it’s just difficult to handle at that stage due to its mad acceleration and takes much practice to do it right.

First off, have you tried adjusting the Sensitivity of the rudder in Controls Options (are you using pedals or a twist controller?), maybe reducing it to around -65%. That makes smaller initial deflection but increases with more rudder input - the graph makes it clearer.
Also don’t let the aircraft fly off too early, perhaps even a little forward pressure on the stick like the A320 (not much or you’ll “wheelbarrow” which is even worse!) until you’ve reached proper flying speed.
Finally IRL, flying light aircraft, I found a little into-wind aileron helped to keep control. Remember that to maintain your course of runway heading you will need to be yawed a little into wind anyway.
The CJ4 is quite floaty so will try to fly early - the point is to hold it on the ground so the nosewheel steering is effective until she’s ready to go!
Love the aircraft, just don’t fly it enough for now as I’m “doing” other things.

Glad to hear it’s not just me. I don’t have any issues with other aircraft, just the CJ4. But, I’m not sure I agree with you that it isn’t the aircraft’s fault. This is only my opinion, but I would prefer the developers soften the yaw affect to make it less twitchy.
Yes, I’ve messed with rudder axis sensitivity, and it makes minimal difference because the aircraft is still twitchy in yaw.
I will try some forward pressure on the yoke, but I don’t think it will make a difference as the twitchiness commences early in the T/O roll when airspeed is still pretty low.

I’ll agree with CJ4 being super “twitchy” but I’m having similar rudder-twitchiness issues with other slower aircraft, so I’d like to recalibrate my Logitech pedals first before blaming my beloved Citation :slight_smile:

Of course chances are that you are absolutely right, but at this point I doubt we’ll ever see any improvements in this aircraft because I think WT mainly focus on the electronics of CJ4 and not its flight characteristics.

My main issue (or gripe) with CJ4 isn’t so much its takeoff yaw/roll behaviour, but the crazy acceleration. Taking off at full TOGA throttle, as Vr and V1 speeds are almost always within 1-2 knots of each other, by the time I start to gently pull back at the yoke (i.e. 3deg/sec) the speed has increased so much that I’ve exceeded V1 by far.

Then by the time I verify positive rate and begin raising gears, I’m way beyond V2 which is just as well as I believe the recommendation for gear retraction is V2+10. But this also means that after hundreds of hours in CJ4 I can’t remember a single time when I retracted my flaps at around that speed range. Usually it’s more like V2+30 or so (IIRC the manual simply states “after V2+10”).

Not to mention that the acceleration continues so while I maintain the 10 degree TOGA pitch, the airspeed will go past 180-200 within seconds and I’ll be forced to ease back on the throttle significantly (as low as 70% N1 or lower). Unsure if this is how it works in real life. Otherwise at 100% it’s often becoming exceedingly difficult to keep the aircraft stable at 10 degrees and 180-200 KIAS. As soon as I’m at around 5000’ or so, I may try speeding up to 240 KIAS and eventually set CLB mode.

It takes lots of practice to tame this beast.

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+1 as well about it being really twitchy on the takeoff roll. I’ve dialed down my rudder sensitivity and stuff but probably I’ll get a straight takeoff roll maybe 50% of the time. Part of the problem I think is that it seems wind effects in the sim act on planes more than they would in real life. The flight models aren’t taking this into account, so it seems even like a 5mph crosswind, your sometimes holding full rudder to compensate in the sim, which wouldn’t be the case in the real world. It’s like the in-game planes lack “mass” or something and they get moved around like paper airplanes…

I will say, I’ve been flying the Longitude with it’s mod, and it “feels” more realistic in various winds. I can takeoff in that same 5mph crosswind, hold just a touch of rudder, and keep it right down the middle on takeoff.

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Again, glad to hear I’m not the only one, and can relate to your comment about mass.
Like your Longitude experience, I have a DA62 mod that does really well in crosswind. I cannot believe that the real CJ4 is so affected during cross wind takeoff, so I’m hoping the WT CJ4 just needs some flight model tweaks.

I’ve been flying the CJ4 with WT mod for a couple of months now, and I don’t have an excessive rudder issue on T/O…