Xbox users only - black screen / ctd discussion

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I wouldn’t buy a minimum PC. Whatever runs this game on at least a 48" OLED 4k hdr at 60+ fps minimum. Preferably a three screen setup, 3 55" or so. Although I don’t think building something for 2020 is worth it. Have to see what 2024 brings. If there’s no ■■■■■■/broken third party element messing up the works, Xbox runs 2020 better than 80% of the YouTube videos I see. And usually on peewee monitors. Forza pgcars 2 and cod runs like quicksilver, and kids games like ori are unbelievably good.

I just don’t think MSFS is that good, you have to push through with hardware you shouldn’t need. At least they work specifically to optimize for xbsx

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Well I got new pedals and new brackets so I can do things like the TB flighstick with the throttle quadrant so about to try some new things. Going to try to find specific 3rd party that causes CTD’s, may even pull all my 3rd party and reinstall. It needs to be ‘three screen’ or more aircraft that really finds issues, being full g1000, g3000, and proline aircraft. Sometimes a standard g1000 setup won’t glitch where an airliner will.

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I thought someone was starting a list of add ons that do not work, or we as a community were going to start a list? I swore I read that earlier in the thread.

I think that would be a great way to get the information we all need, as quick as possible.

How does everyone in this thread feel about something like that? A wiki-style thread with add-ons that kill anything with basically a G1000 and up?

Also, we all need to get ahold of Asobo by emailing Jorg (or an open letter to him and the team on the forum that we all sign etc?) or something because like I said in an earlier post, according to the last development update of 2023 most likely SU15 is not coming out until early-mid February at best!

Since Asobo does not do hot fixes, or at least since I have owned the game since it launched on Xbox, I do not recall Asobo ever releasing a hot fix for a SU. This however is way too bad of an issue to wait for SU15 to fix! We need to put a lot of pressure on the team, open to any ideas?!

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So far for sure for me Washington DC scenery(not KDCA, but the DC scenery includes 5 other local airports) and Vegas City (McCarran itself is aces) are unusable.

Sedona red rocks works but is notably laggy and seems borderline for a CTD. Was better optimized in SU13, seems sketchy ATM. I also have Grand Canyon West and Southern Logistics in that area, which is fine.

Tried KMIA with the Kodiak, flew at 700’ at 170kt straight through the docks, along the coast, flew all around Ft Lauderdale and back to Miami. No black screens/CTD’s. I have both airports, birds, Global shipping, and LVFR Statics on at 90% ground aircraft(dat’s a lot of planes!). had everything on except live weather, including PG/live traffic. A few chugs here and there but were with LOD drop ins as per usual. PG was actually fairly decent up close, ugly as always for anything a mile out. Every time I sensed scenery dropping in I went to outside view and scrolled around the plane trying to force it.

All seemed fine, even taxied around KMIA afterwards up to the moving trams in the middle. So that stuff works, although someone said adding Samescene Miami causes crashes with KMIA(which is on my wishlist). I probably wouldn’t fly with static aircraft again, there were notable double planes. I may still try that city pack regardless unless others can confirm it crashes. KEYW is fine, even with carriers/amphibious ships out and around.

I have every single Hawaii add-on(except the brand new aforementioned Samescene Honolulu city pack), including carriers, GS, and birds and all has been well except PHOG, which has never worked for me, I haven’t tried it in some time, it’s a pig of a download for such a small airport. Going to check there again with a few other ‘three screen’ aircraft as I fly there a lot. Dillingham gives me a little stutter now, think it’s the silly animated ‘glider’ doing it. They should really dump that ‘detail’ it caused havoc in SU9.

London has been causing issues for me, I’m uninstalling everything I have there(including all ORBX landmarks and GS) and re-installing them until I can narrow it down. Was all fine in 13. I think it’s the city again in this case but will check.

All of this is based though on my routine of first flight quick control-e, boot up avionics, restart flight and do my cold start thang. THAT is causing problems even in non 3rd party areas-the first initialization of avionics in a new session.

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Hello there. I don’t wanna be that guy, but two years on I would’ve somewhat expected this to be fixed by now. I actually moved from Xbox to PC in early 2022 and it has paid off very well. I suggest if people don’t want black screens, they do the same. Because it’s about time to realise it’ll never actually be fixed. You can have a console like the Series X run the game on the highest settings and in the smoothest way possible, and you’ll still get black screens because it’s simply related to a memory leak on the consoles.

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In the Sim, not on the consoles. Its part of the coding. No other game on consoles behave like this. Imagine Forza or Forza Horizon comes with black dashboard screens…The internet would explode. I agree this Sim is like no other “game” on consoles, but to blame it on the consoles itself no that’s too easy. In my opinion, there is no memory leak there is simply not enough of it available for a Simulator of this scale on consoles. I would go as far to say this project is too ambitious for the current-gen consoles. Yes, probably a Vanilla state sim will do most likely fine, but to expect the Sim to behave the same on consoles as it does on PC, with all the addons available etc, was a big mistake. Offcourse this Sim runs well on eaquill or less PC hardware compared to consoles, but they can tweak lots of stuff in the settings that consoles can’t.

They are working hard to resolve issues no doubt, because they more or less fixed most of the CTD’s but i have serious doubts they will ever fix the black avionics. What i dont get is, they keep adding more and more stuff to the Sim instead of making this game breaking issue a top priorty.

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They did actually identify a memory leak in the sim (for PC too, I believe) that SU13 addressed. Of course it was far more damaging on Xbox as we don’t have any expendable memory. I personally haven’t seen too much difference between SU13 and 14, except for more stuttering introduced with the latter. BS incidents seem to be about the same for me (but way fewer actual crashes).

FS2024 I imagine will fix the BS. It has to, after being touted as a console release — and at this stage, I’m quite confident — after all, we must remember that the current MSFS is a PC title, basically ported to Xbox unchanged. This new version has been developed from the ground up (albeit using the same core engine) specifically for Xbox, so if it ends up being broken, it’s game over (in my opinion) for the Xbox experience.

Asobo know the current sim is broken on console. But from a business perspective, it would be suicide for them to admit it publicly. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect them to make such an admission, to be honest. What can they do if the core sim isn’t capable of sorting itself out on Xbox? I have long said, I think we’ve reached the sim’s limitations on console — something I doubt anyone could have truly foreseen. The problem at the moment is we basically have an incompatible interloper that doesn’t really belong in the Xbox environment.

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Asobo is still working on it thats why they released the Xbox stability Beta. Everyone who wants to see improvements need to join the beta to Help Asobo finding the cause of this problem.

I had yesterday also a wierd behaviour from the game.
I start a flight on a payware airport that always worked from me. I got instant blackscreen when the flight was loaded. I restart the Sim ,load again the flight and again instant blackscreen. I tried also other payware airports and Same result.
So i shut down complete the Xbox and restart again the Sim and viola everything works No blackscreen in this Airport more.
So for me there is room for improvement

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The problem exists on PC’s too, you just spend enough money for additional hardware to ‘push through it’ anyway. Probably buying 3 times what it needs to run if properly optimized. Kind of like a game like Crysis, where they make it, and tell you to pay enough to play it, rather than properly code and optimize it. 3 years from now it will look outdated and be remembered as a pig.

That’s why I wouldn’t really bother until 2024. For xbox you can see what happens to each generation as games are forced to be optimized, like say Forza 4 vs Forza 5 on the same console, a massive leap in gaming quality with the same old box.

3rd party is the PITA part of msfs, and it’s hard to really blame Asobo for the near infinite combination of possible add-ons. A supercomputer can’t figure out the total number of combinations 6 pieces of 2x4 lego brick can be interlocked, imagine trying to chase down troubleshooting thousands of possible adds that are all other people’s work.

XBOX actually finds the true problems with 3rd party add ons. And some aren’t the developer’s fault either as it moves through massive SU versions. Better to make a list of what is known to trigger issues for SU14 and see if there’s a consensus that can be noted to the developer and push an update.

I’m sure FlyTampa can fix Vegas city.

And that still doesn’t mean a given 3rd party AIRCRAFT is causing the issue either. But you’d have to be willing to fly just about everywhere without 3rd party in a default aircraft to actually see if it’s a real problem with MSFS and XBOX itself. I know without add-ons, MSFS plays better on a big fat HDTV better that 90% of online videos from PC users, even if it looks like the command station of the Nebuchadnezzar at the dude’s house.

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It doesnt work for me on series X now. Only ever worked flawless at launch for me not sure what everyone elses experience was like on console. You know what is crazy is that just the vanilla version of the game doesnt work even without add ons.

For all the money I have spent on playing this simulator starting with the purchase of series X. The Oled Tv. The premium deluxe edition of Msfs. The hotas one. And all the market place add ons worth easily over £1500. I feel annoyed that it doesnt it doesn’t work and have always remained hopeful that this would be rectified at a future date.

The only time I get off work at the moment is xmas and was hoping to chill and enjoy. But to be honest now my confidence in the sim has waned on console.

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Are you having more CTD’s in su14 than before or the entire time?

And are you trying to force 120htz? I change it to 60 for MSFS as it causes problems because it maxes at 60. All my other games I keep it at 120.

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I have tried everything my friend 1080/1440/2160 - 60hz/120hz vrr on/off. None make any difference and has been like that regardless of any sim update since its release on console.

I have tried without any world updates and also with. Makes no difference.

I have played with without any marketplace 3rd party add ons still runs bad regardless if it was sim update 7 8 9 10 11 12 13. With add ons its ridiculous.

Had a replacement series X last year because I was adamant it was that. Made no difference.

Thought it was my download speed being too slow at 250mbp/s so I upped it to 500mbp/s made no difference. No packet loss. Ping is perfect. Running off an ethernet cable too.

I generally think the Xbox is capable of running msfs but not at the level they present to us. My opinion not everyone’s. Some people outright defend it and say they dont get any problems.

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There is something very wrong going on.
If you have a Vanilla install then it should be working almost fine.

There’s thousands of users with very few issues.

Yes we are living with Black Screens and CTD. Especially if we have lots of airport or add-ons.

And even Vanilla will suffer. We know that.

However it shouldn’t be almost every flight. You need to get help with that. Something isn’t right.
You in the UK?

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I think im just unlucky my friend. Only silver lining is that I have enough marketplace content for my pc build just in time for msfs 24.

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Being doing some testing myself I’ve only done short 2hr max hops in the LVFR A319 and LVFR A320..

Live weather, live traffic, no world updates and zero add-on airports installed.

Edit: flown mostly UK, Holland and France.

All worked perfectly. Done about 10 flights with zero stutter and no black screen and no ctd.. Simbrief works well with tablet and constraints followed on descent.

Xbox X, with Hotas One, keyboard and mouse.

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X-Box X user

My experience since SU 14 has been that without any scenery add-ons I have not experienced any black screens. I have Live Traffic and AI traffic and it has been fine. I have flown the PMDG737 as well as the A310 and Longitude.

The moment that I switched some airport scenery back on I got black screens whilst taxiing. So the problem seems to be related to badly configured third party scenery add-ons

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After some time with Xbox S and X i have some observations. I sold S three months ago because MSFS was getting ugly as time goes by. Popping terrain and objects were the worst things which ruined my flights. Now with X I’m rather happy. Everything looks good and I don’t have many problems (maybe 5 CTDs during last three months). As we know main reason for CTDs is limited RAM while using 3rd party addons but there are other factors that trigger it.

  1. Internet connection. I noticed that connection speed is not so important. I live in the rural area and I have radio internet with max. 50/50 Mbps (average about 25Mbps) Dl/Up and ping above 50. I don’t see any lags in loading objects during the flights. I had some transfer issues month ago (not stable transfer, loss of packets etc.) and it triggered CTDs during cruise. Not in the airports or busy area but at FL380. MSFS couldn’t load terrain and crashed. It shouldn’t be like this as we don’t have control over our ISPs. Problems disappeared when my internet connection quality returned to normal.

  2. Rolling Cache. I had a problem with sound and stuttering in main menu. The music was just disappearing for about one minute after sim loaded up. It was just annoying but I could start a game. I was dealing with it for about two weeks and then started to investigate. The first thing i did was clearing rolling cache and loading the sim again. It resolved the problem immediately. It’s very strange that rolling cache has impact on stuff like this.

  3. Wrong keybinds. I set up keys for propeller pitch number 2 or something like this (I don’t remember the exact name). The most important thing is I didin’t know It’s connected with engine 2 propeller so when I was flying in one engine (propeller) plane it triggered CTD immediately after pushing this key. Clearing this keybind resolved the problem.

Maybe it’ll be helpful for you guys. Cheers

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Do you get black screens on the 787 or 747? I’m on series s and get black screens with those aircraft but my console is stable with the pmdg and a310 without add-on airports.

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I’ve had no issues except A310 for me is black screen on EGGW and EGGS for 5 consecutive times before I gave up.

Same session I went to A320 and Kodiak with no screen issues. Tried A310 black screen from both cold and dark and from runway.

Also engines don’t hold throttle. They rev then spool down again.

VERY ODD.

That was series X no add-on airports.

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I haven’t checked in a while with these aircraft. What I can say is that without any add-ons the PMDG works fine without any black screens. I basically now run a trial and error exercise. I load in an external airport as the destination. That means that if I get there and it blacks out I can still land and finish the flight. If the add on is well optimised then it normally does not cause black screens either at the end to the beginning of the flight.

I have seen on other threads that there is a specific issue with the A310 and the latest AIRAC release. I believe that a fix is supposed to be released soon.

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