That dead horse is dead and buried. Nit picking. Its a big world . Great joy and many many hours of going see see see!. It is a not factor .
Skyrim has sold what, 30 million copies? Mods cause that game to crash quite easily, usually because the mod is poorly made or conflicts with another mod. I didn’t play WoW with mods, but I mean, come on, it’s not hard to Google such things and see that obviously mods have been the cause of crashes before in that game. That’s one of the risks you take installing mods, and why most game developers do not offer support to users with mods installed. But again, I don’t really see what that has to do with MSFS.
Everything in this world is a factor. To play with such a large world, you shouldn’t have any places where the game crashes or something else is going on. Critical crashes are not allowed for the final product. ESPECIALLY one year after release. That is why I say, for people flying from point A to point B, nothing will be visible. There are people who are vegetables, there are those who are exploring the world. I showed you an illustrative example of a game crashing not due to third-party modifications. And there is more than one such place. And this is a fact. All that you put me in opposition is just an attempt to get off topic.
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Why. Could you plz explain your logic?
If you can’t see it by now his words will be wasted.
Sorry for picking your statement as an example but that, Sir, is a very common logical fallacy, often uttered with lots of…umm… confidence and that tends to cause a lot of frustration and completely useless exchanges.
The truth ™ is that bugs often depend on a number of conditions to show up, and these conditions can be machine-dependent, component-dependent, depending on individual program settings or a combination of those and they have to be identified before you can judge where the root cause is located or not located. That you don’t have encountered the issue can just mean that these conditions haven’t been met on your computer…yet, while the bug can still be in the program in question – or somewhere else, because that fallacy also works the other way around.
In order to identify these conditions and potentially improve the situation for everyone, it would be very helpful to have a climate in which people are animated to investigate the issue and get help with rounding up useful information about it, instead of getting rather hostile sounding replies, usually based on (or perceived as justified by) aforementioned logical fallacy and consecutive assumptions about the condition or add-on count on the reporting user’s computer. For some reason, flightsim forums suffer a lot from that, which literally adds insult to injury instead of helping the product in question to improve.
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Can you get a list together of all the “many” places in the world that CTD happen? Then I can confirm the veracity of your opinion.
Ouch. Not very kind sir.
By the way. I’m one of those 60%, and I didn’t even vote! What does that prove? That it’s actually 61%?
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Note the use of the word “probably”. I didn’t say that everyone finding the poll on reddit has a CTD, just that those finding it are more likley to have CTDs on average than the general “population”. In other words 40% is likely quite “toppy”
This may help explain the concept:
EDIT: and this too:
- Self-selection bias (see also Non-response bias), which is possible whenever the group of people being studied has any form of control over whether to participate (as current standards of human-subject research ethics require for many real-time and some longitudinal forms of study). Participants’ decision to participate may be correlated with traits that affect the study, making the participants a non-representative sample. For example, people who have strong opinions or substantial knowledge may be more willing to spend time answering a survey than those who do not. Another example is online and phone-in polls, which are biased samples because the respondents are self-selected. Those individuals who are highly motivated to respond, typically individuals who have strong opinions, are overrepresented, and individuals that are indifferent or apathetic are less likely to respond. This often leads to a polarization of responses with extreme perspectives being given a disproportionate weight in the summary. As a result, these types of polls are regarded as unscientific.
Ask yourself this - if you came across the poll and had CTDs that you were frustrated with and having problems with, do you think you would be more or less likely to respond to the poll AT ALL than someone who comes across the poll but has no CTDs at all? The answer must be that you would be more likely to respond in the belief that doing so might help to raise awareness of your issues and hence lead to some imrpoved chance of resolution. You therefore have an incentive to respond (at least you may believe you do) and hence the sample is inherently biased through self selection as well as biased through general sampling (the poll is on reddit and hence only reddit users are sampled and also the poll is more likely to be found by people on reddit searching for articles and posts on CTDs).
Statistically, this poll is so flawed that no store can be set in the results whatsoever, other than to confirm what we all know - some people get CTDs, and that number is non zero
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Locational CTDs are avoidable and that means if it’s repeatable you can simply plan your route elsewhere. Mod related CTDs are avoidable too, they are a little harder to diagnose but they can be if you just include what you need for your trip. Non avoidable hardware based CTD’s and major bugs must have priority, it really is that simple.
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By this logic, there are only 205 players…
40% of the 205 who clicked on the survey… Keeping in mind that the title of the survey biases the likely response to people who have problems with the software, not to the rest of us who never even saw or responded to the survey because we were flying.
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So the poll I created with “inherent sampling bias” only managed to garner 40% support in favour. Hmm. 
Think about that for a moment.
Just 1 month ago I was plagued with CTD. Could happen @ any time, very annoying indeed… and frustrating as well. After some Zen Desk support including reinstall as Zen desk support is quite useless IMHO. They asked for the error report and I sent it. They responded with the usual clear community folder, no overclocks. Nothing worked… They sent me another email a few days later saying it is a problem with process lasso??? I never heard of it and certainly did not install any such app/program. I then took a good look @ the error report, I could not any sense of it all BUT for one strange word Wwise… was in most if not all the CTD error reports. Hmmm I figured whatever this Wwise is it might be the root of my misery? I serch web but not much simply by typing in Wwise. And then by chance while playing some World of Warships as that game still worked ok I noticed on the splash screen just by chance as I never pay attention to the opening splash screens… I noticed that evil word… Wwise!!! Ahha, whatever that is it’s used by WoW as well. So when I serched with WoW and Wwise together it mentioned somthing about audio drivers… So device manager and i disabled the audio drivers 3 of them including Realtek, sonic studio and Nvidia. I used my Bluetooth for audio and the sim has been running near perfect for me. I sure hope this helps others💖
OP, sorry but between the headline and that text, have you considered being a journalist?
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This is a good example of what poorly coded software forces users to go through.
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Here is live at the moment steam stats…This does not include MS Store purchases… It disagrees pretty wildly with the status in the original post… 205 people is NOT a reasonable sample size. As you bang out your response, please remember those 7714 down votes are not CTD necessarily, they are just people that down voted for one reason or another.
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Agreed not to mention the topic header is misleading at best. Not saying there isn’t any ctd’s or there hasn’t been mistakes made but…
Seriously, if the problem was that large there be outrage and the dev’s would be all over it or shutting msfs down.
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Yep. I thought about it…
Simply stated It means that without the sampling bias the 40 would have been lower and the 60 higher.
Think about that…
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That’s a GREAT Idea, If everyone who has a CTD were able to send in a report of the Position in the world where they had a CTD, and it was plotted on a Globe, it would soon become obvious where there were areas prone to CTDs.
Then there should be a way for everyone to see this Globe.
But how, and would everyone even know the position they had a CTD, or even bother reporting it.
So probably not going to happen …
BUT hang On !!!
Most players are conneceted to the Microsoft servers when they fly , and CTD.
So the SERVER know where they are, and can probably quite accurately determine if they CTD or not.
So the whole process COULD be automated, and MSFS could even display that Global map, for a short time during the LONG startup period.
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And of course Realtek aren’t ever known for producing flaky audio drivers, yeah right! … If you only knew how many times I’ve had to replace, repair, reset or reinstall both mine and other peoples Realtek drivers you would honestly wonder how they are still in business. MSFS is a cakewalk in comparison.
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