How can you get the Bravo TQ mixture levers to do ANYTHING on the Cessna 414??
Read the main thread. At the moment you don’t need them. The aircraft has a fuel management system that looks after mixture automatically up to critical altitude and until Asobo fix this aspect of engine management, the aircraft at this stage anyway, has automixture invoked at developer level.
Thanks. Means that at the moment, the airplane is seriously flawed. I don’t understand the adulation that this is “study level” since I notice the aircraft comes with two red levers labeled “mixture” yet they are inoperable in the sim. ■■■■on a bull! What so great about this airplane? Beyond me.
But thanks very much for your response.
It’s not the plane, it’s a current limitation of MSFS. Right now, this is the workaround. I don’t have this plane, yet, but my understanding was the initial release required use of the mixture lever, which also wasn’t realistic because it’s a turbocharged engine.
Turbocharged, yes; not turboprop. The aircraft IRL has two red levers labeled “mixture”. Did Cessna get this one wrong? Certainly the mixture levers weren’t inoperable in the real aircraft! And why should it be a problem for FSW when every other aircraft I have including twins has no difficulty with mixture levers working. It is not MS/Asobo; it’s FSW that has a problem here. It’s absurd to charge $39 for a mere experiment.
Well, I have it and think it is money well spent. A TC engine has a critical altitude up until which, the turbocharger will force air and boost as required without intervention. Above critical altitude, it needs the levers but until the sim itself models this behaviour realistically, there will be issues and this is the current workaround. The aircraft is a beta at present and isn’t perfect, but I have great faith in it.
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I understand, and appreciated that it was a “beta” when I purchased it, but I wasn’t expecting it to be so dysfunctional. I love my Bravo TQ for AP modes which are mostly useless with this aircraft. I also trust the opinion of the PMS principal who explained FSW’s use of arcane coding making so many functions common in many sim aircraft unavailable in the 414. FSW is blaming this on anybody available as well.
I truly hope you and other simmers enjoy the heck out of this airplane. I for one am unimpressed and disappointed,
Like a bout of flu, it will get better 
Yes. you’re right (taking deep breath), I’m sure it will. Thanks for a dose of perspective.
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This is not FlySimWare, this is a apparently an Asobo issue.
On another note, this is not the official support for this plane and you should be headed to their Discord channel, or the Avsim forum or their main contact page.
Even in the beta state it’s pretty good. I fly the Kodia, CRJ, JR Arrow(s), DC-6 and some freeware modded planes as well.
The JF Arrows, when they were fully released they had several updates over the course of several months and they still update their planes.
DC-6 has some awful performance issues half the time unless you put in developer mode and change a few settings to gain FPS.
The Kodiak had a few glaring issues as well including odd FM behavior and AP issues.
The CRJ has been a piece of work in process for quite a while. I even griped, along with several others, towards the Aerosoft people to get some more updates.
Even compared to these other planes, even in beta, I prefer this plane overall.
What functions are missing that you wanted in this beta plane? What are the most dysfunctional aspects of it? Instead of writing here, send it directly to the developer. They have updated it 4 times already and its hardly been over a week. We should be getting another update tomorrow or the next day.
I don’t really see FSW blaming “anybody” available as other developers are having similar issues with Asobo.
It will get better. I just downloaded some liveries and flew a few rnav and ils approaches and having a blast.
Nah there’s a well documented bug with turbochargers in the sim that affects all aircraft using turbocharger logic and because of this the default turbocharged planes do not behave correctly.
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I appreciate that a release has growing pains and I’ve always accepted that. But I find strange the decision that since there are problems with turbocharger logic, we’ll make the mixture levers inoperable to the purchaser – really? And I am disappointed that one has to use a mouse to activate AP commands since the AP features of the Bravo TQ, which I’ve been using happily since Xmas 2020 are inoperable with this aircraft. I have no such linitation with any of the aircraft mentioned above: JF Arrows, DC-6, Kodiak, PC-6, even the P-38 and spitfire, but FSW can’t use the same AP syntax as the WT gang and all these publishers. Must be something pretty special in the offing – I just can’t figure out what I’m supposed to look forward to about the 414.
They’re just using automixture as a workaround which is hopefully temporary. If they didn’t then you’d basically be flying with a normally aspirated engine instead of a turbocharged one. The whole point of a turbocharger is that you don’t need to lean out the mixture when you climb until you reach a critical altitude where the turbocharger can’t compensate enough. From a quick google search the critical altitude in the 414 is 20,000 feet.
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Thanks for pointing that out.
They are aware of this and again…this is not the place.
Send this information, requests etc through the proper channels.
It just falls on deaf ears on this forum.
Interesting comments…I have watched a few You Tube reviews, one from a gent that claims to have flown this aircraft IRL…and he was generally impressed, he did mention some “bugs” as well…but overall he was positive…hence I purchased it …sounds as though you have also have had RL experience, if this is the case, I will definitely take your comments on board.
I am single engine PPL holder IRL, but have zero experience on turbo engines/twins.
What’s the issue with the mixture? Everything seems normal here control wise. The AP and electrical switch control are another thing though and they definitely need some work to bring it in line with common defaults. Some controls just plain don’t work and otherrs make the change in the background but don’t do the in cockpit animation to match.
All the aircraft you mentioned in your message have been commercially released for months now.
The 414 is a BETA product, hence your criticisms are always welcome on the official Flysimware forum over at AVSIM or on their Discord channel.
It really serves no purpose whatsoever to continue ranting on this forum about an issue that is identified (as soon as first BETA version), explained and justified by the developer as well as rationalised given the present MSFS constraints.
If you desperately want to use the Mixture controls, you can, simply go into the C414 Engine.cfg file, and change the fuel_air_auto_mixture=1 (instead of =0). Be advised that this will give unrealistic results.
In spite of the above, it remains that the majority of experienced users (both real world and simmers) have already given this FSW airplane a huge thumb up sign.
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Absolutely spot on. I am not sure why they keep ranting on here instead of taking it up directly to the BETA forums. A lot of this has already been discussed, in the works of fixing and has been noted.
FlySimWare didn’t expect several thousands of beta testers. They thought only a few hundred.