A2A Aerostar 600

It’s the same depth as in 2020 Comanche, but using native 2024 walkaround system.

The three fuel drain points are under the fuselage on the left side, click on them for the bottle to appear:

Oh man I definitely wouldn’t have looked there! Thank you so much! I’m really glad to know that we still need to be paying attention to these things- that’s what makes the A2A planes a little extra special. I appreciate the work you guys do.

Hello

Overall how is this aircraft now it’s out of beta.

I have the Comanche, and it’s a great plane, but I would like to get a native 2024 aircraft, for the walk around for example.

I’m also getting bored flying the 250, well not bored but it’s just that’s all I seem to fly!

What’s the Aerostar like to fly compared to the Comanche?.

Hi! I fly the 2024 Aerostar and do not own a Comanche. From all that I have read from Comanche owners, it is its own airplane. Likewise, the Aerostar is its own airplane model. There are similarities but liking one model does not suggest that one will necessarily like the other. The IRL Aerostar is a VERY different kind of GA aircraft, and this appears to be reflected as modeled in the sim. From what I have read from Comanche owners, the Aerostar walk-around modeling is different in 24, so caveat emptor. If you are looking for a FAST light twin that really likes to be flown by the numbers by a pilot who likes to stay ahead of the airplane, you will probably like the Aerostar very much. OTOH if the Comanche walk-around is what you are looking for, perhaps look twice and ask more questions?

Personally, I prefer Comanche because it has one engine and looks much better than Aerostar :). Sadly it’s not FS2024 native so I fly Aerostar instead. I love how walk around works in FS2024, I can do everything without switching views in the tablet. Works great in VR as shown below.

Thanks both, looks good, might wait for any potential sale though.

I like the Aerostar because it has more than one engine. The Aerostar is a more complex aircraft, keeping me more busy than the Comanche.

I love how stinking fast it is!

You have to stay ahead of it, but it’s fun to fly. I think the posts between yours and mine sum it up nicely. I’ll add that despite its ability to fly fast, it’s normally-aspirated, not pressurized (and no oxygen modeling that I’ve seen), and not capable of flight into known icing (FIKI). This means you’ll really have to pay attention to the weather during winter in the higher latitudes and/or elevations, and summer at high density altitudes, or it will bite you.

Overall, it’s probably more suited for flying in warmer climes, to and from airports at lower elevations, in VFR (or warm, light IFR at worst). In that use-case, it outperforms the NA Baron, which is a reasonable competitor. An oxygen system, at minimum, would make it feel more realistic to cruise into the mid-teens, low 20’s, where you can take advantage of better TAS (and maybe favorable winds aloft). Without that, all the extra IAS is wasted unless you just like cooking along down low, which is fine, but a much narrower use-case.

This is a really informative discussion . I wonder if you have any thoughts on the Aerostar vs the Dukes, albeit they are still a 2020 version in ‘24?

I feel bad talking a product down (because I really do like it), but the Duke beats it in almost every measure except persistence, walkaround, and cockpit visibility. There could be an argument for flight model, but as I’ve not flown either irl, it’s hard to say which is more realistic. A2A always has some little creaks and squeaks that are bit more immersive.

If either are ever used to simulate a career-mode mission (or any third party economy), the Aerostar has a useful load of about 1,500 lbs versus the Duke, which is over 2,000 lbs. The Aerostar might need a slightly shorter runway (but this will change drastically with density altitude and weight). The Duke might have slightly better range and climb performance overall, but I think the Aerostar has better specific fuel consumption (units of fuel per distance). Some of this could use some very specific testing in order to A/B compare.

Real-world both are niche aircraft, discontinued long ago and becoming increasingly rare due to expense of maintenance.

Thanks, very usefull. What about the Dukes in icy conditions :thinking:

I’d take a Duke into FIKI well before the Aerostar 600, but I wouldn’t take it into anything severe or hang out in moderate very long. Just enough to get through a layer or escape if it’s getting bad. But comparatively, the Aerostar in this configuration is an absolute no-go into known icing conditions. And if you do blunder into them, without pressurization or oxygen it’s hard to realistically simulate escaping by climbing above most light to moderate icing conditions in the Aerostar, which you can easily do in the Duke.

That said, the way the sim handles icing and the way it interacts with various aircraft isn’t exactly consistent or meaningful at this time. And you can always dump live weather, anyway.

Thanks for your insights :+1:

Found out about the icing the hard way when I had wanted to fly the Aerostar across the US starting in Buffalo, and promptly crashed on the first leg because of all the snow. Good thing though because it was an eye opener about realism! I then deciced to start in slightly warmer climes (first leg Telluride to Monument Valley), and have been enjoying the journey very much. Visiting a lot of places for the first time that I had only heard about, like Grand Canyon or Kern Valley, and while it can be a challenge sometimes to find a route through the mountains at below 10,000 with no oxygen, I’m loving how the plane flies as well as features like the bug and grime build-up.

Has anyone found a binding for the pitch wheel (on the autopilot). I use Axis and Ohs and the standard AP_PITCH_REF_INC_DN (and UP) do not seem to do anything?

I’m away from sim, but my Spad.Next profile has “LVAR:ApPitch”, increment or decrement by 1.

Hi. You need to assign:

INCREASE AP PITCH HOLD REFERENCE

and

DECREASE AP PITCH HOLD REFERENCE.

Doesn’t seem to work in MSFS 2020.

The icing simulation of the Comanche and the Aerostar is among the best and unbeatable. It even simulates loss of lift or stalling wings because of icing.