About the Bugs with 2024

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Hey all,

I’m feeling a little overwhelmed here.

The more time I spend here, the more I am finding bugs.

I am completely unsure if I should fill all these things out or if that is a waste of effort. I need some guidance.

Flat out? I am not a paid QA Technician for Asobo or Microsoft, but I don’t want to see these things missed or not managed. However, my multi-year experience with 2020 would indicate that much of my effort entering bugs was, frankly, a waste of time.

What do I mean by that?

No, I’m not taking issue that my specific bug wasn’t addressed, I’m taking issue that my bug wasn’t even acknowledged. That doesn’t encourage me to put in the effort here.

There are some seriously frustrating things here that shouldn’t be in a release candidate, yet here we are.

Please, Microsoft, I know you’ve read my posts. I know you know I am passionate and involved here. Help guide me here, what do we do?

Example:

I just filed a simple flight plan from KPRB to KTVL. I used the EFB via the World Map. I filed it with ATC and I pushed it to the avionics in the C172. When I cleared the EFB this is what I see:

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I’m not flying a helicopter.

If the basic data here isn’t even right, I just end up feeling like we are SO off the mark and behind that I just kind of short circuit when thinking, “Should I write this up?!”

Please, help me help you.

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Welcome to the club. Three years as a moderator here, collecting bugs that the team didn’t even look at, despite promises from certain community managers that they read “every post” in the forums.

And this is what they do with that work:

Many of the bugs I’ve sent up throughout the years were yours. I even used to have a bookmark on my browser just to send up the bugs you posted.

Microsoft needs a real attitude change toward their customers. The more time I spend on this ecosystem, the less respected I feel.

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This pains me to read.

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I’m not 100% sure if there were any bug reports you created didn’t go through me first before they got feedback-logged or bug-logged. It’s possible, but I’m not sure.

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hang in there Nixon, we need you
the way i see it, with 2024, first and foremost, they need to stabilize the servers
there is no fixing of anything until that is done, the servers have 99.9999975% up time, ample bandwith, and no server-side bugs (club97)

once that is done, yeah, 2024 is in for a major bug fixing campaign
we need experienced and respected users like yourself if we want anything at all to be fixed

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It gets worse with the bug I posted in the example. I try to zoom in on KTVL to see what other parking spots I can choose and it shows none of them. Clicking the airport icon and choosing Zoom to details does nothing and if I manually zoom via mouse wheel I still see no parking nodes.

We have stuff like this that is so rudimentary and fundamental that I just feel my whole self shutting down from it.

Man, and I can’t even like posts anymore, because I am out of them.
Maybe I need to get back in bed.

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I’d log into MSFS 2024 if I could to take a look, but I can’t even do that. My Limited Collectors Edition isn’t here and Microsoft hasn’t acknowledged the issue, given me free Game Pass, or compensated me in any way.

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I can appreciate your frustration. I’m just trying to save a free flight session without success using the EFB. When trying to reload, nothing happens. It seems the explorer is saving the file as a .PLN rather than a .FLT. The explorer is only programed to search for .PLN files at reload. MS 2020 assigns and searches for both types. It appears they didn’t follow through with the programming.

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And if we’re lucky, someone will log them and then in two years’ time, someone will close the bug report because the two-line .cfg file change was not worth the effort.

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I agree with you, except they often don’t. They might close them as “won’t fix.” The list I sent in the second post has somewhere around 100 bugs, logged by this community, that were closed as “Won’t fix.”

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This is sad to read. It’s like the opposite of my biggest issue with FS2020 and the #1 thing I’m looking for that will decide if I buy this thing in the future (when a lot of other things get fixed). We can save a flight but the flight plan disappears. The only hope I can see in this is at least they got the flight plan to save I guess maybe something got missed?

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…then I get into the airplane, and I press the hot key for Set Altimeter and it sets something that simply cannot be correct, because this airfield that I fly from nearly every day is not at ~1140’ its at ~840’.

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I can’t seem to go two steps without tripping over something like this. To come here and report it all is an impossible ask, but this all needs to get fixed.

Really, CMs, you’re going to have to come here and respond to me when you have the time. I do not know what to do or where to begin here.

Frankly, if the internal QA team isn’t ALREADY aware of all of this and has logged it, then fire them all.

EDIT:

Yeah, listening to ATIS the baro isn’t anything near what Set Altimeter chose.

How is that functionality broken?

EDIT2:

My god, that isn’t 1140’ it is negative 1140’

Facepalm.

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It’s overwhelming and depressing…

Even assuming a completely fixed and functioning server situation… basic functionality seems to have been scrambled and displaced. So many basic, interconnected/dependent functions left hanging in some sort of limbo.: can’t fix one until the other(s) are fixed… a weird paradox so convoluted, even compiling a bug list feels pointless.:

sigh

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There are so many bugs in this app that it would be a full time job filling in the unwieldy report message template to report each one. Every single plane I’ve tried has multiple bugs - some minor but so obvious that I can’t believe that they are not already on an internal tracking database. I’ve filled in a couple of reports but similar to what you’ve said OP I’ve no expectation they are acted on so feel no enthusiasm to perform the task.

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This was the hardest thread to read so far on the topic of 2024. Completely solidifying my decision to hold off… in fact, pushing out my timeline for purchasing and installing 2024. Too bad. I was looking forward to seeing how the multi-core improvements would make VR even more amazing. At least we have 2020 in a pretty good state to hold us over!

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Ultimately, it is up to you whether or not you’d like to contribute to bug reporting here on the forums. You should feel no obligation unless you want to take the time to do so. There are lots of internal bugs of course that are already being worked on from our team that will make it into a future update. Unforunately since we don’t publish every bug we know of in our internal system, a user wouldn’t know if it is something we are already tracking. However, when a bug report here is made, I go check that system and if the bug exists then it is labeled with bug-logged. Again, I know this doesn’t necessarily help you decide whether or not to report bugs, but this is a personal decision for you.

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Seeing bug reports at least acknowledged would be nice, actually.

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Maybe the best would be to just give it some time. Allow you to push the first update and see where we are.

The idea of entering all these very obvious issues when I would expect them to be already known seems like a waste of effort.

Thanks for the response, Jayne, I really appreciate it.

I’m feeling pretty deflated.

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I really don’t like the idea of the wasted effort, I’m with you on that. I know there has been plenty of it which puts a bad taste in the mouth for bug reporting.

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when going back into main menu the sim freezes…so annoying

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