I guess even the MS/Asobo would grin at this thread. If we wouldn’t be able to point out the gripes, glitches, issues, problems, and bugs what’s the point of such a forum !
Please, bear always in mind that we all love this sim and want it to get even better, that’s why we are here !
All very valid concerns… I still find this studio to be an odd pick by Microsoft. They have done nothing previously in the sim market. There few previous games were just some movie based titles. This is quite an ambitious project for such a small studio. Hopefully they continue to staff up, and stay funded by Microsoft. My biggest worry is this sim will be all flash and no substance when done. As of now it just feels like you are flying on rails with little challenge except not crash to desktop. I wish them luck, of course, as flight sims are my favorite game and for this to die leaves few left in the market.
Oh Dang @MrPhoenix1975 ! That stinks, that is quite a setup to be sitting idle. And I complained about dropping $2000 on a new computer for this game!? Nice setup!
most people don’t complain to be rude - they do it to bring about a change.
most developers aren’t trying to steal your money - they want to make something useful.
it’s only when innovation is stifled by fear of failure that we lose out on it.
it’s also true that honest feedback is critical to correction and refinement.
please don’t stifle honest feedback.
please be considerate toward the developer and refrain from accusations of impropriety or lack of
concern.
sometimes it just comes down to the volume of the work vs the number of qualified personnel and resources.
Reality Check:
Exactly. In the olden days we did get one or two service packs (if even that) and then 2 years later you had to buy a completely brand new version of MSFS to get any new functions, improvements or whatever, at all. The old version was quickly abandoned and most addons you bought for the old version didn’t run anymore (this of course is true for FSX => MSFS2020 as well, but FSX is 14 years old). In the olden days they had scenery packages by Microsoft which cost a fortune or you had to rely on 3rd party developers like today. I remember buying the Hawaii package for FS4. It cost almost as much as the whole Simulator. Or I bought the first Aerosoft Munich airport which set me back the equivalent of almost 20,-€ - in the late 1990s - that would be around 40,-€ today.
Also out of the box the complexity was on a completely different level. Instead of the whole world you had 2D lines and later the infamous tile system. The textures were so inaccurate that they only resembled real ground from above 10000ft. And you had only a handful of recognizable airports in 5 or 10 separate areas. All in between was barren land with occasional painted runways on the ground with no taxiways, buildings, roads or towns. No ATC or AI aircraft before FS2002. The airliners also were horribly unrealistic. The 747 was basically just a bigger and heavier Cessna 172s with four engines. This was really, really primitive stuff compared. So no wonder it worked without big problems.
You now get a completely different experience for basically the same kind of money (if you consider inflation) and they even pledged to 10 years of support. That equals 5 new versions of MSFS in the good old days.
And don’t get me started on FSX running perfectly out of the box in 2006. If you really think that, then you weren’t there!
And then let’s talk about the upgrades they published in the last half year alone for FS2020. That alone would have probably cost you the year-passes in many other games like Elite Dangerous, and would have set you back a few hundred bucks in DCS.
And just to make it clear: MSFS runs well too. At least mine is running perfectly. The CTD issues are a problem. Still I encountered several discussions here where CTDs where caused by overclocking.
The difference is that not everything runs as perfectly as it should - like the airliners, ATC and a bunch of other stuff. MSFS is far from perfect and it’s good to point that out to the devs.
But this constant whining, moaning and jammering is extremely tiresome and also extremely unproductive.
waiting for the thread to get locked because this conversation is going nowhere fast
I remember why I stopped flying flight sims when I was a younger… They were extremely buggy and I just got tired of dealing with the endless nonsense. Fast forward 30 years and here I sit debugging software for six months in a row with every update causing more problems then it fixes. Sound familiar? I can see exactly why everyone is fed up and why many have just left.
My patients is at the limit right now. I want fixes and all I get is more bugs and without an option to abstain from downloading updates it’s becoming the norm that patch day is a day I walk away entirely from this simulator. Right now I want to uninstall and move to p3d or just walk away and come back in a year and see if the problems have been fixed.
If there were nothing to complain about, there would be no complaints…there must be something to complain about.
The over-all problem is, this is a full price pre-alpha sold as a journey. This journey, as it is right now, is a pre-alpha photography game that just so happens to have planes. This is not a flight sim at this time.
I also know that until this journey enters something close to a beta stage the complaints will continue to intensify.
Yes there is a good side of it all, and that is the MSFS team seem to have expected the complaints and are sticking to their intention. But the bad currently outweighs the good, because people are expecting a flight sim now, not a pre-alpha test…there was already a pre-alpha and a beta!
A journey, no matter what the destination, can be either fun or not fun. People expecting a flight sim (not a screenshot taking apparatus), are on a journey filled with land mines (CTD), stuck in deep snow (installation fails/issues), in a vehicle that is not reliable for the journey (ATC/WX/AI/Aircraft/Co-Pilot and on and on), and the road itself may not be wide enough or a bridge may not even be standing (server that may or may not let you even run the software).
Until the journey becomes more pleasant expect more complaints.
The way this could have been avoided is to sell as Early Access, at a reduced price, and increase the price as features are functioning correctly. Flight simmers are reasonable in general and as a whole.
often a simple language barrier prevents diplomatic or constructive critisism. Often people translate their language 1:1 into english and while the point of their complaint is being understood they might sound harsher than intended or more frustrated than they actually are. past tenses are a big part of expressing yourself and while a certain past tense in one language has a certain meaning another past tense in english, built with a 1:1 translation, means something entirely different. For example in german spoken language we use a tense that, translated into english, is present progressive… have done sth. In german this was a thing done in the past, terminated and you’re fine now. In english it will sound like you have run into issues for the last 5 months until now. So you wanted to say that you had issues in September or so but people understand something very different and their reaction will be not exactly understanding. I always try to read as little feelings in a post as possible, languages are just too different.
All you do is complain complain complain
Oh, the irony 
There is a lot to complain about, so let them. We have a lot of threads idolizing Microsoft to balance the whole situation out.
I wish the community was less divided and polarized, but MS brought it on themselves by releasing too early and breaking their mouthwatering PR promises.
Is the cloud-based terrain phenomenal? Yes.
Are the graphics good? Yes.
Is the weather engine better? Kind of.
But nothing else really is. The physics has been done better by other, much smaller dev houses (looking at you X-Plane). The lofty PR (more realistic than ever etc…) only flies when you compare FS2020 to FSX, which is 14 years old.
Sure, the SDK and underlying tech might be more modern, but who would have expected otherwise? If I buy a product in 2020, I also want it to use current technology. That is a given, nothing to brag about.
Yet not even the weather works as advertised, half a year after release. The ATC is broken, there is no true multiplayer and many aspects of the flight model are still downright incorrect or missing. It’s also much the same as in FSX, albeit with more data points. Would have been great if they switched to BET or CFD modelling, but we still have something relying on lookup tables. At least as far as I have gathered by looking at files and reading what modders say. You can still make a flying doughnut without problems.
And a few things are even worse than 14 years ago.
Now, does my post sound overly negative? Maybe to some. But it is really a rather neutral collection of facts that many wish to ignore or just don’t see as important.
Where there is light, there is shadow. Maybe in a year we will have the product in our hands that was promised to us. Maybe. 
I think a lot of complaints on the flight model and eye candy is Asabo/MS was targeting casual simmers. They made it very easy to fly and approachable. (well sorta, they also provided no documentation or decent tutorials) Problem with the casual simmer crowd they only play for a few weeks, and complain about buying add-on’s and planes. (and don’t get them started if the plane costs more $10). The question is will Asabo get this platform stable enough and SDK developed enough to pass the torch to 3rd party developers. (They keep all sims “alive”) And will the 3rd parties have something to work with so they can add decent planes and flight dynamics. Simmers are a different breed, you don’t see FPS gamers dropping thousands of dollars on a sim pit.
Then why not look at their back catalogue, it is very colourful but the titles do speak to Asobos’ heritage, at least somewhat.
https://www.asobostudio.com/games
Without making any judgement on Asobo’s capabilities it does seem that a next gen flight sim is a departure from their previous experience.
I guess this post will get flagged and removed 
I had wrongly presumed they would have experience in this field!
Well said!
As did I and I think many others have as well.
I guess there must be a valid reason why some of the big names (aerosoft maybe) did not get the job.
Commercialism I guess
I have prazed this sim but when one gets this after a UK update then complain
Yes I have tried to report it but I can not answer the questions they ask about my Windows 10 install so I gave up and hope some one may see it here. At the end not all of us are computer literate.
It is the UK Henley in Arden England.
Some things never and never change in people. I know that all flight sims (x-plane, FSX, and any others that you can name) all had their issues when they came out and still do. Go back and look at the forums with people griping and complaining that it’s garbage. You cannot have perfection with all of the given variables with a flight sim. I’m sure that they are well aware of major problems but even working 24/7 will still not probably get it done so cut them some slack or if you have the experience apply for a job as they are hiring. I’ll bet you are the type who complains about everything in life. Sit back and take what’s given to you and enjoy the development.
Experience?! What do you mean they did make the game for the movie Up. That’s about flying… (sorta)
https://www.asobostudio.com/games/up
Just a joke moderators!
personally i prefer to get stuck on the old and ugly engine but with study level aircraft instead of
wasting time on this sim that only teach me wrong and/or unrealistic way to fly
Time to develop this sim? This had to be done before Release!
