Anybody Rocking The Pimax Crystal Super With 2024?

Update on my progress so far. One step forward, one step back.

Got my PC upgraded without problems and got windows 11 installed on it. Ran fantastic.

Microsoft updated it to 25H2 and huge problems with very poor framerates in msfs, reinstalled windows again and encountered ever more problems, from having to find my bitlocker code to unlock the C drive, to having to reinstall windows entirely yet again from the windows 11 usb drive.

Worked like a charm until I tried to restart. Would not boot up without the windows usb drive in the slot, no matter the boot order in bios.

Completely formatted every drive on the PC. Still the same. Command prompts ect are completely out of my league, and the hole I was digging was up to my chest, so time to put down the spade. I took the PC to a professional IT bod.
Got a phone call yesterday. He uninstalled my C Drive and put one of his own in its place. Windows installed fine and rebooting. Seems 25H2 did something to my C Drive, or perhaps, it being a sata SSD, about five years old, it was at the end of its life anyway.

Upshot is he is going to disconnect my C Drive and put windows on one of my three M2 NVMe drives.

He has gone away for the weekend, so no more to be done till next week.

Just great microsoft, thanks a bunch.

On a happier note, my Super 57ppd is due to be delivered this afternoon.

I just ordered my free prescription lenses from hons VR without problems.

Thanks to the contributors on this thread, no doubt I will find your advice invaluable over the coming weeks.

You want a fast drive for your OS. SATA SSD (really old tech) vs Gen4 (or 5) nvme is like 600mbs vs 7000mbs. I use a WD sn850x 1tb gen4 nvme for my OS drive.

HONSVR is awesome! I have HONSVR lenses for my Valve Index and just got some for my PCL. Their customer service is awesome, too!

Good luck with getting everything sorted out.

Pimax Play V1.43.1 released

Thanks Lucas. My super 57ppd has just been delivered. I just need a PC to download from your link now….

Hello I got my super and I have to agree with you that I was exspecting a WoW but not so much. I still have to get it sorted out I get sick with it.( 50PPD) Where as my Crystal all day no problem.. I hope I can get the Super to work better . I will try your suggestions. .

No I have asked Pimax for a return. It needs a lot of adjustment to come near my Varjo, which I also hated the first two weeks :wink: But the FOV isen’t much larger than the Vajo and performace is outstanding in the Varjo so I will stick with that.

How would I get the DFR to work with the Pimax Super UW? I have launched the game from the Pimax Play launcher with all recommended settings from their blog. I am on SU4 beta program. The FR is fixed and not dynamic following my eye movement. Also the game crashes almost every session withing 30min with a graphics card crash (basically VRAM overflow). Anybody here with the same experience or a solution maybe?

mine is coming Friday, the Super, i didnt have an option to order anything specific like 57ppd or wide, just said Super 50ppd? I am on a Quest3 now working solid, hope am not disappointed with the Super (by the sound of some comments here I might be!)

Do you have Eye Tracking enabled in PimaxPlay? You should be able to see with your phone camera the ET LEDs around the lenses illuminated.

Did you calibrate the EyeTracking in PimaxPlay?

I have Crystal OG so some of my advice may not be relevant to Super.

How do you know if your FR is fixed? Can you see the low res area outside the centre high res square?

When ET works (DFR) it works so fast that you can’t see the square moving, you simply always gaze at the high res area.

Got my pc fixed and have downloaded MSFS24 again, downloaded steam VR, downloaded pimax play and just got the headset connected and running.
First impression was that it was very heavy and uncomfortable, very hard plastic feeling on the brow and nose, however using the second facepad in concert with the one on the plastic frame has improved it tremendously.

Also finally got the hons vr lens holders fitted. What a faff clipping them on due to the fabric around the pimax lenses, however the lenses themselves are held on by magnets, so super easy to fit and remove.

Oddly as arrived, the right lens was packed into the bag marked L and the left was in the bag marked R. Thankfully the holders and the lenses are marked L and R, so soon got it figured out.

It seems the content of this thread is going to be invaluable, because the headset settings certainly needs tweaking.

It is very clear, yet somehow slightly crosseyed. Reading this thread again, obviously the offset needs tweaking and everything else needs looking at. I will get there in the end.

Two very newbie questions..

Does pimax play need to be running in the taskbar to use the headset, or does it run on steam VR?

And does the headset wake itself when you put it on like the Reverb does?

Re downloading DCS at the moment, all 400GB or so of it, that was lost when the infernal bitlocker slammed the door on my dcs drive, so I do not want to be messing about with the pc too much at the moment.

Thanks for the content, it is going to be very useful in the coming days and weeks.

PimaxPlay must be running for the headset to work.

There are several possible OpenXR runtimes you can use for example:

  • native Pimax OpenXR Runtime - this one is preferred, you enable it in the PimaxPlay
  • SteamVR OpenXR Runtime - not recommended for MSFS - if you don’t use it, SteamVR is irrelevant. Also it doesn’t matter if you use MS Store or Steam MSFS distributions, you don’t need to use SteamVR OpenXR Runtime.

Don’t mistake SteamVR (required for some games like Half Live Alyx, which aren’t OpenXR native titles) with SteamVR OpenXR Runtime (not recommend for Pimax headsets when running OpenXR native titles like MSFS).

SteamVR settings in PimaxPlay are irrelevant for OpenXR titles like MSFS.

My Crystal OG wakes up automatically from screen saving mode when you put it on, there is a sensor in the nose area.

Thanks for the clarification.

Taking on board what you have said, I watched the power light on the headset and it did indeed change from green to blue when pimax play was enabled and running in the taskbar.

I tried it in DCS and set up the VR settings in the sim. It has the pimax open XR runtime enbedded and I was able to close pimax play. Just a quick takeoff, circuit and landing in the hog with the horizontal “spacing” set to 1.2 as recommended on here revealed a less crosseyed feeling.

Performance was OK, but not perfect. Went back into DCS settings and found a foveated rendering tickbox that was not checked. Checked that and performance was far better.

Had a look at fs2024 next and dicovered that on spawning in on the runway in the blacksquare turbine duke, I could not get into the cockpit despite many applications of shift c and num 5 ( my setting for centering the camera)

Tried spawning midair and that was fine. still slightly crosseyed though. Back to pimax play and ran the foveated rendering calibration process. The optician said my ipd was 64mm and the headset after calibration said it was 63.8mm. I find the accuracy astounding.

Only major problem I am having with both DCS and with MSFS24 is the fact that when looking to the settings within VR, the settings interface is not in front of your face, it is a long way away and very small. Obviously some headset setting somewhere.

So things are getting better each time, I did not expect a plug and play experience, so am overall quite happy, happy enough to have just paid the second payment and snagged myself a £40 discount for prompt payment. Fully committed to the super now.

What does need attending to is the comfort, compared to the reverb it is very uncomfortable, but I think I may be wearing it and adjusting it wrong. For sure the HonsVR lens holders should not be pressing hard on my brows.

The HonsVR lenses are a very nice free gift. Thanks Pimax.
Just waiting for my other freebie gift to arrive, they are shipped and on the way - the Dmass headphones, dunno if they make a big difference, but it is imaterial as I always use earbuds plugged into a splitter from the headphone socket as I need the audio to power my buttkicker as well.

Need to watch some vids on how to wear and adjust the super properly. As for the slight eyestrain feeling, I think 50% of it can be improved by playing with the settings a little more and the other 50% is my eyes just not being accustomed to the clarity and overall brighter displays. I see further improvements everytime I put on the headset. Whether that is down to something quietly “ learning” and optimising the headset to my particular rig, or just my eyes becoming more accustomed to the displays, I cannot say.

To answer my own question at the start of this thread, my 4080 powers the headset just fine with quality setting in pimax play and foviated rendering enabed.

I managed to fix it. Problem seems to have been some residual setting of the OpenXR Toolkit in the windows registry. Cleaning this up and reinstalling it made the DFR work correctly now!

And a quick report back.

Been watching some vids on setup. I have indeed been wearing the headset wrong apparently.

The neck band is suppossed to sit at the base of the skull, not at the back like the reverb. Doh!

Also, there is apparently a “ comfort band” available to transfer the headset weight to the top of the head and away from the nose and forehead. I will need to order one as my flights typically last up to five hours and comfort is essential.

edit. comfort strap is out of stock apparently. None in pimax store, none on amazon, none on ebay.

Wondering why I did not get a free comfort strap like the guy in the vid, I had a look on pimax store.

Orders before end of April got free dmas headphones, comfort top strap, and two face cushions.

Orders after May 1st got free dmas headphones and two face cushions. I also got free HonsVR prescription lenses as a short term special offer, so I guess I can’t complain.

Overall, I have been very happy with the Pimax experience up to press. The software is great and easy to use, the quality of the hardware is good and they appear to have got QC sorted - all of which made me previously avoid pimax.

i just got my Crystal Super (50ppd) on Friday and I dunno, coming from a MQ3 I was expecting more and just not seeing it, I think the MQ3 is maybe even better? I really want the Pimax to workout as Ive heard so much good about it, as of now thou am not convinced yet…..am I missing something obvious, ive tried all the quality, FG, FR settings and still dont see much improvement

What do you mean by FG? NVidia Frame Generation is not supported in VR.

Are you running MSFS2024 with at least DLSS Quality? Is you Image Quality in PimaxPlay set to at least 1.00? Such settings would probably require at least 4090 for decent FPS (with Dynamiuc Foveated Rendering), but should also offer a strong resolution advantage over Quest 3.

You may consider posting you MSFS2024 VR graphic settings and PimaxPlay device settings.

This helps a lot with comfort, at least for my Crystal OG:

Have you looked at StudioForm? Their kits make all the difference for comfort and stable fit.

Pimax Crystal SUPER Elite Upgrade Pack | Studioform Creative

Since others may be looking in with a view to making the jump to the super from another make and model, I will continue to document my findings as I go along as such tiny, seemingly too uninportant to mention details can make a huge difference to someone struggling to come to terms with the headset.

Today I did a two hour flight in the blacksquare turbine duke from leeds bradford airport, down to north kent, headed west towards MID intersection, some 80 miles or so, and turned north to leeds again.

Live weather, real time encompassing late afternoon sunshine, dusk and darkness.

Having watched how to actually wear the headset, I set it up. Far better but the HonsVR prescription lenses were hurting my brows after a half hour or so.

In desperation I pulled the second facepad from the box to jam over the top of the first pad. Far better, but had a stupid amount of effect on the field of view. What I needed was somthing thinner to jam between the front pad and my head…

Then came the DOH! moment.

Hang on, the second pad is twice as thick as the first that came fitted to the headset. Then I discovered the original pad is not glued, it is velcroed, unlike the reverb pad. Second DOH! moment.

Pads swapped over and an instant improvement. The pressure was now on the top of my head and cheeks, not my brow and nose. Very much like the reverb.

Take one. If you have prescription lenses in the headset, or wear glasses, you deffo need the thicker pad and I did not know they were interchangable, or different thicknesses; I thought you had to buy the whole facepad assembly. Facepalm moment.

With the thicker pad, the field of view is pretty much the same as the reverb (57ppd version).

So happily cruising along and second thing to hit me between the eyes was some horrible flickering, pixellated artifacts flickering on the top of the shiny wings and engines. What the hell..

After 10 mins of trying different things in msfs vr settings, I found it. Raymarched shadows. Changed them from medium to off. Artifacts gone. Upped them from low, right to ultra, artifacts returned.

Take two. Turn off Raymarched shadows.

Went back into pimax play and turned down the foveated rendering hi res area from 15 horizontal to 10 horizontal and vertical to 8 as per suggestions on this thread.

No apparent loss of visual quality and a useful gain in performance. I flew over north london at 3000ft at sunset with smooth flight.

At the start of the flight, I was not happy with the visuals in the cockpit, it felt a bit like being in a goldfish bowl and very stark. As the flight progressed, this feeling slowly went away, esp when it got dark and I had to switch on the red instrument panel lights.

I am guessing that my eyes are getting used to the difference between the reverb fresnel lenses and the pimax ones. Has anyone else found that on switching headsets?

So now I can make a comparison on the visuals between the pimax super 57ppd and the reverb.

At first glance around the cockpit, there does not seem be a great difference. However when looking deeper, esp at the dials, there is quite a difference. The instrument markings are pin sharp. No blurryness whatsoever, even on the small print.

The big difference is looking down at the ground though. The ground details are clearer at 3000ft than the reverb is at 2000ft. Where building details are blurred in the reverb, such as windows and doors ect at 2000ft, they are visible in the pimax at 3000ft. ( my buildings setting is ultra).

So I am pretty much getting to be a happy bunny. It is slow but steady progress, but then again, the reverb G1 and G2 sets took a lot of setting up when I first got those.

AFAIK the Foveated Rendering settings in PimaxPlay have no effect (placebo?) on MSFS2024, as MSFS2024 has the Foveated Rendering implemented natively inside the sim, and you can control the size of Foveated area by the sim VR Graphics Settings.