Black Square Advanced Turbine and Piston Dukes

By the way, any idea what long distance cruise settings for the Turbine one might be?

Started with full fuel, without passengers, cruised at 25 000 feet close to the ITT limit there and got a low fuel warning when landing 770nm later. Seems to be far away from the normal cruise range of 1,200 nm (plus reserve) from the manual.

In the TBM there was at least an app for that :smiley:

Found this great video on the KLN 90B. I am definitely going to learn how to use that fun instrument!

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someone asked this on the JF forum, the answer from black square , it was a bit tricky to apply for the launch, but he is still thinking to implement it

Black Square Dev Said :

The gyroscope and turbocharger sound options were disabled (they are always on now) after I did some sophisticated leveling that should always keep the sounds at the optimal volume relative to ambient cockpit noise.

Headphone simulation was on my initial list of features for my sound developer, but it became difficult on top of some other features we added, to no particular individual’s fault. I’ve asked him to revisit this for a future update. Hopefully you will be able to don your headset soon!

original thread :

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Thanks
I will add this to my “usefuls infos” post ! :wink:

I’m having the same question range seems to be different than what the manual and the specs for the plane say.

Thanks so much.

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Was wind a factor at all?

No. Wind is not the factor. Even the plane tablet lists the range as below 800nm. This is with a single pilot and no passengers.

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That is a big gap.

would be interesting to watch with lower tq like 800 than close to ITT limit to see if it s not more economic in term of cruise

edit : as someone gently reminds in JF forum, there is this table in the manual recommending tq800 to achieve best range, meanwhile the tablet seems to refer Normal cruise Power (or limit)

I recommend you to copy past your post in the official JF forum in Duke section

I know dev is monitoring sometime this forum but you will have more chances to catch his attention and to interact directly with him there than here.

I’m seeing the same thing here.

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Flew the Duke on last night’s stream. I have a loose policy of going into new aircraft blind (no preloading and learning), so we got to learn it all together. We did a full cockpit tour, browsed the excellent manual for any tips that might bite us, pulled up the great EFB (I really like the engine and system presentations).

We fired up the engines and departed KAUN out to the practice area where I put it through some paces - steep turns, slow flight, stalls. All were handled really well by the aircraft dynamics. I felt that the overbanking tendency during steep turns is less pronounced than it should be, but that’s a general sim-ism.

The stall broke well, only a bit of right wing dip, which was easily corrected by the rudder.

I then failed an engine, feathered it, secured it, and made my first Duke landing with an engine out. It was a breeze, though I was more squirrely with the rudder during level flight than I should have been.

Refired the engine on the ground and departed back to Auburn. I set the weather for IFR and hand-flew the RNAV Rwy 7.

The only negative mark for me is the lack of a preflight walkaround. Very minor.

All in all, it’s very stable, lots of power, even single-engine. Black Square has once again raised the bar on systems presentation and fidelity, which is probably one of the most important things to me aside from general aerodynamic behavior. I did not try the turbine yet.

Fantastic plane, perfect mission role for me. So glad I have it.

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There’s a pretty big gap in GPH.

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Bought the bundle and focused on the turbine. Cut first flight short due to auto-pilot issues (my fault), and 2nd flight I crashed into a mountain during evening VFR because I wasn’t paying attention lol.

Finally did a 1 hour 15 minute flight from Munich (EDDM) to Zurich (LSZH).

Hardware and Set-Up

Setting up the Ruddo pedals and Yoko yoke was easy. Blank MSFS profiles but bound trim to yoke in MSFS binding menus. The Virtual Fly TQ6+ a bit more finicky as the Duke has detents that don’t match up off the bat with the TQ6+ detents. Spent way to long on Spad.Next, but couldn’t get the levers to work properly due to my inexperience with Spad. Managed to use a blank MSFS profile and just configure the throttle using the virtual fly throttle software (kept open while running MSFS) and both the throttle and prop levers work with indents, reverse, etc. Conditioner I used the MSFS menu to configure.

Start-up, taxi and takeoff

Pretty easy start-up procedure. Plane is intuitive. I used the PMS 750 + Simbrief. Importing the flight worked and generally easy to use. My throttle idle position might be off as she taxi’s pretty dang fast at idle? Feels good on the ground but may need to tweak my detent settings (may be off) as I felt she was a little too fast on the ground.

Take off a breeze, though noticed you need to lay off the throttle immediately after take-off or you get some engine damage. Boy is she powerful. Just climbs very fast and easily. Just doesn’t struggle at all. She is susceptible to wind though.

Cruise and Random Flight Observations

Cruised at 23,000 feet. Enabled the oxygen and it burns kinda quickly but no issues. I pulled back on the prop levers about 5% and took it easy on her so brought back the throttle about 20% for cruise.

The one obvious bug is if you raise you seating position (default spacebar key) you get graphic clipping where half of your head is looking outside the frame, so an obvious bug. Other than that, no obvious bugs on my end.

I love her flight handling, sounds and the graphics fidelity. Top notch, which is to be expected with Black Square.

My biggest complaint (which isn’t developers fault - just how the plane is), is the cockpit views are pretty bad. Viewing angles in the pilot seat are meh with the engine position and the front cockpit windows are super small. Not sure if this will knock her down when compared to the King Air 350, DA 42, or Cessna 414, but it was noticeable for me.

Landing

Landing a breeze. Was an IFR flight but had to approach and land VFR (clear day) as I was having some issues with the auto-pilot (surely my fault, as had been awhile since I used the Garmin 750). She descends great, the cabin pressure and temp mechanics worked well and required some attention, and super easy to line her up to the runway. Again, she really does feel the wind so kinda jumpy on approach.

Landed at 85 knots with flaps in middle position. Used reverse a little bit after touch down and she got to taxi speed very quickly. Very happy that I can land her off the bat without much trouble.

*Conclusion

Great plane and no regrets. Glad I bought the bundle. I will fly my other twin engines to get a sense of where the Duke fits in, but she is a strong candidate to break my top 10 in her first month.

Well done Black Square as always.

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The plane is pressurised so I don’t think you need oxygen unless you’re really high or in emergency?

There is an oximeter you can keep an eye on too.

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with pressurization you should not have to use oxygen till cabin altitude isn’t above 10 000 or 12 000 feet not sur of the true number as it depend and may vary with aircraft manufacturer.

oxygen is for emergency only in case of depressurization

@Ariana2022UK ooops sorry you was faster than I :sweat_smile:

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Got it and makes sense.

First flight done with the turbine Duke and will write more later, but in short, it has been excellent.

On takeoff it accelerates faster than a Nuns first curry

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I’ve done about six flights on the Turbine, and working on a Spad.Next StreamDeck XL profile. Only one flight on the Piston, will do the same profile for that next. I’ll publish both as snippets when done and will post reference here for those interested. I greatly appreciate BKSQs extensive control mapping tables in their manuals…this plane is pretty easy. (Just trying to figure out the “GS” button on the autopilot.)

Amazing plane(s). It’s hard to compare this to say the A2A Comanche in terms of which is “better”, since they are so different, but I think both are the current benchmarks in their own categories.

The only thing that I’m having issues, as I’ve noted previously and others have agreed, with is the extreme weathervaning on the ground. Even taxiing in a 10mph crosswind is very difficult. I’m playing with BeyondATC, which assigned me a runway with a 12 mph crosswind at KBOS, and I totally lost control and crashed out. I have cheap Logitech rudder pedals with some jitter, so wondering if a higher-quality set with Hall sensors would help.

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