workin on it .. gimme an hour
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Love that community effort ! 2024 for the win ahahah ! Thanks @NightMercury358 and while you are at it, could you also fix the flaps ? They are acting a bit funny.When you go to full flaps the indicator goes jumps straight up to the âUPâ position, just as it approaches âDOWNâ. âUPâ, and âTOâ work fine though. Itâs cosmetic, and the flaps really are down. Thanks
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I mentioned the flap indicator cosmetic issue earlier, which 2.2.3 still has. But as you say, the flaps themselves do work correctly.
AS usual our hands are tied .. the EFB is so Obviously broken ..
Having changed the Station Names and details we still have the same issue ..
I tried a few other aircraft and anything with more than 2 seats is the same ..
here is a screencap from Asoboâs Very Own Finished commercial product the DA62
TWICE The Weight loaded
we are looking what is possible in the Dev but I fear this is yet another ASBO cock up we have to wait for them to fix 
The Classic is the Grumman Goose 
2 X Pilots and 2500 LBS of BALLAST LOL
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It worked for me once I made sure each station had a unique name. If it were purely an SDK issue, then the other variants of the Islander should have the same problem but they donât. And I suspect the Shorts donât have it either.
NO I think you are mistaken unless you can correct me ??
Perhaps you managed to break the seats down to individual load stations as I have now done.. but each seat is still being assigned with 2600 LBS +++
the EFB Is still adding them all together I think ..
Its not limited to BBS Or The ISLANDER Either ..
here is a screencap of the Diamond DA40 as you can see the EFB is assigning 900 LB To each rear seat and causing a massive Overweight issue (This is without Fuel or Bags )
We will continue digging
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You can definitely overload the plane as there donât appear to be upper limits when simply using the slider at the top of the EFB, over to 100%.
Loading each seat to 170lbs keeps you under MTOW, and the slider only shows about 9% IIRC. So I wouldnât use the slider for configuration. 100% there does not equate to MTOW, but maybe it should? Now that I think of it, it canât. There are separate sliders for seats, cargo, and fuel. Sliding them all to 100% wonât equal MTOW, as might be able to achieve that, in some planes at least with fuel alone.
The issue isnât related to the slider, but what happens when you edit an individual seat and adjust its weight. That setting is then copied to all the other seats with the same name.
I attempted to replicate in the Shorts 360, but unfortunately itâs PAX variant does not show in the sim, only cargo. But the 330 PAX does seem to appear, so Iâm playing with that now, to replicate the issue here.
Iâve edited the PAX 330 to look li
But if you cant have more than 6% Passenger capacity it sorta defeats the object no ?
Yes, I guess so, but if you set that to 100% then you canât have any fuel in the plane. But as I say, the issue I describe above is unrelated to the issue above, it just makes it easier to see that something is wrong. The slider isnât copying weight from one seat to another, the config is. Iâm just waiting for the sim to boot to re-test the 330.
Yes, it works! Or rather doesnât. I have it configured like this:
station_load.0 = 500,21.5,0,-0.300004,FWD HOLD,6
station_load.1 = 180,14.5,-1.7,1.5,TT:MENU.PAYLOAD.PILOT,1
station_load.2 = 180,14.5,1.7,1.5,COPILOT,2
station_load.3 = 450,9.663244,0,0,SEAT ROW 1,3
station_load.4 = 450,7.585367,0,0,SEAT ROW 1,3
station_load.5 = 450,5.118278,0,0,SEAT ROW 1,3
station_load.6 = 450,1.897551,0,0,SEAT ROW 1,3
station_load.7 = 450,-2.25,0,-0,SEAT ROW 1,3
station_load.8 = 450,-4.75,0,-0,SEAT ROW 1,3
station_load.9 = 450,-7.25,-0,0,SEAT ROW 1,3
station_load.10 = 450,-9.75,-0,0,SEAT ROW 1,3
station_load.11 = 450,-11.399406,0,0,SEAT ROW 9,3
station_load.12 = 450,-13.515278,0,-0,SEAT ROW 10,3
station_load.13 = 600,-19.96468,0,2.089,AFT HOLD,6
Seats 1 to 8 have the same name, 9 & 10 are original, and unique.
If I add a single 1lb into seat 1, all the other stations with âSEAT ROW 1â as a label all get the same weight added to them. In the EFB it only shows an increase of 1lb, from 14727lbs to 14728lbs. But when you click the âLoad in aircraftâ button, it actually jumps to 14735. An increase of 8lbs because 8 seats have the same name.
So I think there are multiple issues here.
- Stations with the same name make it impossible to put individual weights into each seat, such as a parent, and daughter in neighbouring seats. The child now weighs the same as the obese person up front!
- The sliders allow you to very easily overload the plane, even without issue 1. I think in 2020 you could also slide cargo, and fuel to maximum, and overload a plane easily, but issue 1 amplifies this.
Yeah, that issue 2. The slider just puts an arbitrary weight into each seat. Iâm not sure how to address that.
But the issue of wanting to put a 180lbs adult into seat 1, and a 40lb child in the seat next to them is only possible if you have unique names for the stations. Just like you have done in the Shorts planes. I simply added in incrementing number to the end of each name in the Islander and that works. I can now vary the weight of each side independent of each other.
I have no idea how that slider at the top is even supposed to work in practice. There are multiple sliders, for seats, cargo, and fuel:
Setting them all to 100% would be unrealistic.
Yes agreed⊠And we have alleviated this issue here âŠ
However
the 747 with full pax is 5.35 million lbs overweight using the ASBO SLIDER System
Just sayin LOL
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Similar issue with the 330, with all sliders to max.
If I set fuel to 100%, and cargo to 100%, the EFB shows the plane at MTOW. Not even the pilot is in the plane at this point.
In the Islander, I repeat the same, and I am a little over MTOW:
How I would imagine those sliders should work is that the slider should not go above the MTOW, based on where the other sliders are. They should all contribute to MTOW, but communicate. The slider should stop moving when MTOWâŠor at least have some warning like it turning red if you do.
Well even you should know it is commonly Impossible to carry a full payload with Full Fuel
it is ALWAYS A Compromise 
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Yeah, exactly. So if I load up something sensible in the Islander:
100% fuel.
Baggage is set to the default of 400lbs.
I can only set the baggage slider to 57%, and we are at MTOW:
Should we able to set it to 100%? No, for the same reason we shouldnât be able to arbitrarily set the seats to 100%, because all three values matter. More people, less baggage and/or fuel.
So in the example above:
4% people or 760lbs
57% baggage or 1525lbs
100% fuel or 100%
Are those percentages accurate or realistic? No idea!
I think each of the three sliders should change from white to red the instant you move above MTOW. There could even be a safety feature where you can adjust all three sliders but each one will not be able to exceed MTOW, and the slider will just stop moving any further to the right, with the EFB safety feature enabled. If you want more fuel, you adjust one of the other two sliders down so you can increase fuel. More people, less baggage, and fuel.
One other thing I am curious about is where it is getting the maximum values from, but I presume the config somewhere.
100% fuel is 390lbs
100% cargo is 2675lbs so above MTOW of 660lbs.
100% is seats is 19125lbs, so way over MTOW.
If that could be controlled, it would also make it more workable. Does that value exist in the cfgs somewhere, I wonder?
Fuel is easy. Two 65gal tanks.
|Tank.1 = Name:LeftMain#Title:TT:MENU.FUEL.LEFT_MAIN||#Capacity:65.0|#UnusableCapacity:3.5|#Position:-1.95,-10,1||#Priority:1 ||
|Tank.2 = Name:RightMain#Title:TT:MENU.FUEL.RIGHT_MAIN|#Capacity:65.0|#UnusableCapacity:3.5|#Position:-1.95,10,1||#Priority:1|||
I just did a quick compare with the COWS DA-42.
With full fuel, no cargo, you can have Seats set to 33%. I donât think the expectation here is to be able to set that to 100%, unless there is a way to control what 100% actually is.
NOT even close no
the ONLY Way this will be fixed is for Asobo To Fix the EFB to ensure it only allows the MAXIMUM Assigned weight to any Load_Station
Currently it does not âŠ
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Also, when the flight_model.cfg already has passengers and baggage weights entered by default, the EFB should read and display those weights and the slider should be greyed out.
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Thatâs probably 99% of planes, so if you grey that out then you canât adjust it, is what Iâm assuming you mean by greyed out?
So you would have to manually adjust each seat. Which is fine on a small GA plane, but a nightmare on an A380!
Yes, youâd have to manually edit the flight_model.cfg. However, if the EFB could read from AND write to the flight_model.cfg, the relevant sliders could still be used.
NO NO NO ⊠please dont do that
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