Boeing 707 as Famous Flyer 10!

Yes, okay, fair enough. I accept your points here.

Your comments about the bad communication are actually fair in my opinion. It could definitely have been much better :slightly_smiling_face:

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Yeah, and also i hope i didnt comw off as brash towards you. Lol that wasnt my intention.

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For real, tell us.

No worries. I actually agreed with your comments :+1:

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:sunglasses: I hope for a USAF Air Force One version with a presidential interior to appreciate the flying style of the 1960s! :face_exhaling: :face_exhaling: :sweat_smile:

Personal views and comments:

It saddens me to see posts in threads like this where people get demanding and frustrated at CMs when there are delays to releases and/or a delay in communicating updated timelines.

Outside of flight simulation, it’s very rare to see such complete and specific roadmaps with dates against addon/update releases. Coupled with the openness we see in the dev Q&As from Jorg and co, we have a unique relationship between MS/Asobo and the community which is not a common thing in the wider gaming world, let alone software development.

And as in all software/game development, things shift. Whether that’s because of development difficulties, testing hiccups, delays to acquiring licenses, or the ā€˜green light’ from corporate, timelines often have to shift, and sometimes at the last moment. Importantly, it’s not always possible to give a quick answer to what the new timeline looks like - depends on the nature of the holdup and the conversations that are needed to establish a new timeline. No use them coming out and saying ā€œit’s delayed, and we don’t know when we’ll release itā€ if internal discussions are needed to establish bug fix time, changes to license agreement process, etc.

All that frustrated comments such as some in this thread do is create an atmosphere that makes it far less likely for the devs to be as forthcoming and open with their roadmaps in future. More likely to say coming ā€œJuly 2024ā€ or ā€œ2024ā€ than the specific date based roadmaps we’ve come to take for granted.

So I for one feel that if the CMs are saying things along the lines of stay tuned, we’ll let you know an updated roadmap when we can, we should accept that there are things behind the scenes that need to be ironed out before that timeline can be established and communicated. The more understanding we as a community are to the fact that timelines change and finalising a new timeline takes time, the more likely we’ll continue to have the openness we do that means we get precise roadmaps and open Q&As in an industry where quite frankly knowing the month of release of an item 6 months in advance is a luxury.

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Another disappointment, this delay on top of server issues and lousy communication.

Friendly reminder to everyone that the forum Code of Conduct states the following (emphasis added):

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If you don’t see us responding, it isn’t because we are ignoring you. Sometimes we don’t have a good answer, or we are looking for an answer or we cannot comment on the issue at the time.

Thanks,
MSFS Team

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Sorry…but the time to discuss a Tuesday failure is Monday … not Wednesday. This was NOT communicated in any way.

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I’m still optimistic about the Caravelle!

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I don’t think anyone here wants to be receiving LESS information than we have been. I think there’s just a percentage of the gen pop that can’t help themselves when it comes to ā€˜registering complaints’ as it were…
So a couple of in house or promotional releases were delayed - or released in different timeline or sequence to what had been relayed in earlier published information. It’s not like THAT has never happened before - at work - at home - on vacation - at the restaurant, the hotel, the jobsite, the tire store, doctor’s office, coffee shop, dry cleaners…

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I don’t think it’s unfair for people to be disgruntled by sudden multiple week delays on products and updates the day they’re scheduled for release. A day or two delay because something was found at the last second? Understandable, very possible it wasn’t known until it was too late. Several week long delays? This was known well beforehand and should have been communicated. I think it’s a reasonable ask to have delays announced before the scheduled release comes and goes.

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I agree that this is not the end of the world but let’s be realistic: someone at Microsoft knew yesterday that FF10 was not going to be released today and that LL17 unexpectedly would be released instead.

A simple, short message to that affect would have avoided all this commotion. Even small Indie add-on developers are apparently capable of such simple notices via Discord, forums, Facebook or whatever so I think it’s reasonable to expect the same from a large, professional software company.

Furthermore, Microsoft surely has marketing professionals and I’ve never heard them say that it’s smart to release software products willy-nilly, without a known release date and without the associated pre-release hype-up to maximize sales etc. etc.

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On days like this, you guys have a tough job. From a longtime customer service rep, I hope you can fix yourself a nice stiff drink at the end of your shift.

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I appreciate the sentiment, but I truly love what I do. I often tell my colleagues that the worst day working on the MSFS team is better than the best day I had at any of my previous jobs when I formerly worked in corporate IT. :slight_smile:

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I served as well - coming up with polite ways to tell folks things they don’t want to hear is a taxing profession. I couldn’t imagine volunteering to do it.

Well, for all the mods and CMs here, my previous statements only referred to the fact that we don’t have any type of communication, nor merely saying that yes, it will be postponed.

We recognize that the team that works as a whole at MSFS has a great openness with the community and a good level of transparency. Unfortunately, when frustration is created, the effect reverberates in this way.

Eventually, we have to understand a little on both sides, obviously there was something unforeseen. However, consumers have the right to complain (as long as it’s polite, of course) and I think some here just wanted information about… I find it strange that some unfortunately decided to attack AH without even having seen the final product.

I just wanted to make this position clear and not sound like a mere complainer

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What I don’t understand is it seems people are free to bash developers and MS staff for their decisions as long as the comments are directed at an entity rather than a member, but if the community tries to self moderate they get chastised for speaking against another members, even while developers and MS staff are also members here, just like everyone else. It’s kind of a sad deal and I suppose there’s no real solution other than staff trying to be the arbiter of negativity and clamping down on it, but that’s no fun either.

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Personal Comments and Observations

I’m a volunteer mod, a corporate wage slave during the day, and now I’m also on the QA team at a studio producing content for MSFS, both in-house and commissioned by Microsoft. And no, I have no idea why the 707 wasn’t released today. I’m here to talk about the reaction to that. And yes, even the CMs themselves may not know.

Having spent some time behind the curtain, delays happen for a variety of reasons. Those who work in the software development industry know those points well, they live it everyday. Most of the reasons turn out mundane. When you’re working on a tight timeline to deliver a product, that’s how it is - the biggest of efforts can and are stymied, especially if you’re making sure it’s the best product it can be. If this was easy, everyone would be doing it. That’s not a boast, it’s just a fact.

The bottom line though is no one was harmed by this delay of DLC. Really. Some of the reactions, while understandable and driven by a passion for the hobby or topic, have also reached very extreme points in other cases. The product will come. It won’t matter whether the explanation comes today, tomorrow or next Tuesday. There’s been a delay, more news forthcoming. We’ll all hear about next week.

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Perhaps it is because of continued issues just like these from their latest release:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/local-legend-17-curtiss-c-46-commando/647659/41?u=nixonredgrave

People aren’t just making these things up to be mean or unfair.

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