I don’t think people are even expecting high fidelity. They are just probably looking for a reasonably usable product which has the basics right. Which apparently many of AH’s products didn’t. And people complained rightfully.
And I believe if MS felt it needed to be pushed back, IT NEEDED TO BE PUSHED BACK, PERIOD. I’ll be much happier to get a functionally sound product a bit later than a rushed half baked outright buggy product now which may or may not be bandaged by the community. Specially for such a classic like 707. Yes, the communication from MS could be better, but they already apologised, not sure what else can we do other than to take our business elsewhere if we are so offended.
If the C-46 was released in its current sad state but the 707 had issues I can’t even imagine what those issues were but I know it was really bad.
Thank you to the MS and Asobo teams for slapping the dev about the quality of their products, I have all the LLs and FFs but I’m really not sure if I can stand another AH product without taking medication. Please review the C-46 thread, it is another disaster.
And you would be quite okay with it being released ‘sooner’ but well below standard and full of bugs and perhaps in other ways being a bit of a mess? This would make you happier?
You wouldn’t perhaps be asking for a refund or be complaining about being ripped off? You wouldn’t make any negative posts here in the thread complaining about Asobo or AH?
Just wondering to be honest.
I get that some people are disappointed and admittedly the situation is far from ideal but releasing an AC which isn’t fit for purpose (whether sooner or not) is not the answer in my opinion.
I think it was the right decision to delay the addon.
Depends, define bugs. If systems don’t work or every knob or button, then yes don’t mind. As long as there’s a full livery paint, it moves, takes off and flies. Rudimentary. I’d be content.
Perhaps this would satisfy you but I have plenty of doubts that this would be sufficient for many potential buyers.
You don’t mention by the way that you would require the AC to land. Personally I like to have this option with all the AC I buy whether they are study level or not.
(Couldn’t resist the last comment. No offence meant )
Some people fly in chase view in MSFS and consequently don’t really care about systems fidelity or flight model accuracy.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that but it would be silly to release a half-baked, buggy add-on to the world just to please that specific group of players while simultaneously frustrating all others. It would be like selling a convertible with a non-functioning roof just because one guy said “I don’t care, I’ll never put it down!”
Maybe I watched way to much Ice Pilots NWT back in the day to be unhappy about the C-46 dropping in MSFS while having to wait a little longer for the 707. To be honest: I rather have the 707 later if it means less bugs and more joy at initial release. It would be a shame if the 707 was released in the same state as the Twotter was when it first came out.
Sometimes it just seems to me that developers can’t do ‘right for doing wrong’.
When a project doesn’t go according to plan (as it very often doesn’t) there is no perfect solution just a better decision for going forward and you can bet your life (but not mine btw ) that there is going to be a bucket load of vitriol whatever decision is taken.
Has it always been like this I wonder? Personally, I don’t think so. I think it’s a more recent thing. The last few years maybe.
From the profile icon you have, I assume you are on xbox, if not, please do yourself a favour and get the 707 from flightsim.to. it does fit your requirements.
This entire forum is packed with bug reports and threads expressing frustrations about issues where aspects of the sim do not behave as they ought to.
Many of these bugs/issues date back 4 years and still trouble us.
I’d say, based on my extensive reading of this forum, that the vast majority of us would like to see the Quality Control of the simulator and Microsoft-sanctioned product add-ons improved.
If the delay of Famous Flyer 10 is a step towards this improvement, then we ought to be lauding it.
It is entirely understandable that there will be those disappointed by the delay, but we really need to be a unified front that expects a higher standard of quality (and by quality, I don’t mean systems depth and “high fidelity”, I strictly mean bug-free and timely fixes for bugs missed in QA).
I just wish more of us could be more diplomatic in our expressions of concern. In the bashing and thrashing, the message gets lost and the focus ends up on the bashing and thrashing.
I am convinced that the Boeing 707 will be the flagship project of the Famous Flyer series and one of the most important add-on for MSFS. It’s such a crucial project.
Therefore, I absolutely don’t want it to be released with scattered bugs. I want it to be perfect and meet consumer expectations. That’s how important the Boeing 707 project is.
Its going to have to be quite a product to make it the flagship of the Famous Flyer series. I think it would be wise to temper expectations a bit, while I think we all hope it will provide a bug-free experience
100% agreed. I was very excited for the 707, but if it has issues that prevented it from being released on the previously scheduled day, I say to AH, by all means, take your time and make sure you get it right. I don’t have particularly high hopes for an AH product myself, but the 707 is so iconic that it needs the best possible representation, and my own opinion is, as long as it looks good, performs in a reasonably realistic fashion, and all its major systems work as intended, I’m sure the vast majority of customers will be happy.
As a side note, this is why a lot of projects, such as basically all freeware I’ve seen, don’t ever have set release dates. Freeware projects especially are made up of basically all volunteer developers, sure, but for any project, a lack of a set release date will take pressure off the developers and enable them to make the best possible product, and therefore make most people as happy as possible when the project does release. I personally think all software development projects should work this way, whether they be freeware, payware, whatever. Take all the time you need to squash the bugs and perform QA tests and most everyone will be happy.
Well, seems all the negative fed back has had some effect.
The release of the Boeing 707 has been delayed with no new release date.
From the MSFS TEAM:
Hi simmers,
We know that many of you were looking forward to the release of the Boeing 707-320C today. We apologize for not getting the word out sooner, but as we were reviewing the release candidate, it was clear that the aircraft still needed some more work in a few areas and we decided to give the team at Aeroplane Heaven more time to ensure a high quality release. We don’t have a specific new date yet, but the plan is to release the 707 alongside Sim Update 16. Ultimately, what’s most important is to deliver a fantastic aircraft and we will keep pushing to make that happen in the coming weeks.
I just hope this delay will actually amount to something. If they need someone to provide them with documentation and scrutiny on it to make sure it’s as accurate as possible, I know a few people they can ring for testers, myself included. And the 707 itself can be quite the quirky jet from what I’ve seen.
I’m extremely glad about this delay because maybe we can expect a little more as the JT4 engines which are common on 90% of the B707, maybe a cargo version and my greatest wish is the real sound set. I just hope they will be able to record on a real B707 somewhere in the world. And maybe a little more functionalities in the cockpit.
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