Citation CJ4 AP alt button stuck in "on" position

I’ve been flying the CJ4 exclusively for the past 106 hours, and it’s worked perfectly everytime so I suspect something else is going on.

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I’ll take your word for it. Thank you for the assist. Trying to log a good bit of hours in this aircraft myself, so much fun to fly. If you’re ever flying in the northeast US hit me up!

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appreciate you

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Will do, I primarily fly on the east coast, just doing a trip out west, flew into KLAS last night heading to CYVR tonight. Fly mainly on VATSIM during the week.

On the weekends I’m flying smaller GA offline.

Very nice. My local is KHPN if you’re ever in the area!

@Craxxenn If you don’t mind, and respectfully, I’m really curious about something. People have had this problem before and I really don’t understand the mindset. Why is it that some people assume that all planes work the same way?

Is it because there is this idea that it’s a video game and in that context they just have a gamer mindset that all vehicles are the same? Or is it something else? I would really appreciate a serious answer.

Forgot to ask, are you using the Stock Asobo CJ4, or the WorkingTitle mod?

It definitely seems that APs operate similarly between aircraft, but each of them have their differences.

Case in point, I bought the HJet last week, and immediately thought it it was “junk” because the autopilot seemed non-functional. Then I found a thread here which mentions that you have proactively hit the FD (Flight Director) button before doing anything, and that fixed everything. The CJ4 and Longitude (and others) have FD activated by default.

There are still some minor differences between say the Longitude and the HJet, but pretty easy to figure it out. (BTW, the HJet aka “HondaJet” is an excellent aircraft if you’re looking for something new. $25 in the Store.)

Well the principles of Autopilots are similar but from @Craxxenn and others’ posts, there seems to be this belief among a minority of players that an A320 systems work the same as the CJ4 and the Cessna and every other plane. In other words, like he explains above, if you want to tell the autopilot to do something you do the exact same thing in all aircraft, which we know is not true.

I’m just trying to understand why some people make that assumption. I really can’t fathom it.

stock Asobo

To be honest I haven’t played MS FS since FSX in 2010, so I’m relatively new. Wasn’t very serious back then either. I thought I remembered the altitude button climbing/descending also but I could be wrong, which is why I came to the forums.

In my mind currently I was thinking that the AP was bugged, but after some kind discussion here I found that I was wrong. No biggie.

To be completely honest with you I don’t believe that all AP’s work the same, in fact I know they don’t. Just had a simple question and was answered just as simply. It’s a good thing this is a game/sim and not real world aviation.

Topic moved into Community Support.

The Bug Reporting section of the forum is for reporting confirmed bugs that can be replicated by others. :+1:

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noted, thank you!

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Interested in the HJet!

Do yourself a favor and install the Working Title Mod :slight_smile:

Just download, unzip, and place into the community folder. You still pick the same (only) CJ4 in the menu.

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I’ll take a look this evening! (because don’t we all browse forums at work? :wink: ) appreciate it friend!

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If work could see how many hours I spend on this site during the day, they would think this is my job :slight_smile:

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What I mean was if I was playing something like GTAV, especially since it uses a controller, and I was used to driving cars and got into a plane or a helicopter for the first time, I would try the same things to make it go as I learned from a car. And in that case, it would work because the designers made all vehicles operate the same way. Probably because it’s easier for them to code it that way and because they know a lot of people will use a controller and there are limited control options. While playing a game like that I would “assume” things because I know it’s not a serious attempt at deep systems simulation.

But in a flight simulator (and I have a long history of using flight simulators) virtually all aircraft have some degree of systems simulation and to a greater or lesser degree try to mimic the real world aircraft that they are based on. Payware aircraft especially make it a selling point that they have good systems simulation. Logically then, I would not assume all planes work the same way just as I would not assume that in the real world.

While the post you cited seems to indicate that most people classify MSFS as a game, to me it certainly doesn’t feel the same as GTAV in that I would assume all the planes are identical but that’s my question. I automatically and unconciously make the assumption that I have to learn each plane individually. And I’m honestly curious what unconscious assumptions others are making that do the opposite. That’s what I mean by “mindset”. What is the state of your mind when playing?

Thanks for clarifying. I don’t think it doesn’t classify as a game just because it doesn’t feel the same as another specific title.

My state of mind is exactly the same as yours, I assume that I will have to learn each aircraft which each have their own unique systems. Which is why I came to the forums with a question pertaining to the systems of the specific aircraft I am learning to fly. I did not assume that the CJ4 systems work exactly like any other aircraft.