Thank you, sounds reasonable and exactly my thoughts. If the difference is in only the servo’s power than it’s maybe the way to go
Would be very interested in knowing how it is better than the Brunner. Unfortunately the CLS-60 case dimensions (depth) would not fit in my setup, so I’m considering the Brunner as well (as it’s smaller).
Every report I’ve seen says the 60 has way more than enough force. I’m not sure what the idea of the 120 is to be honest.
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My CLS60 is plenty strong enough to wrestle with. The 60`s force it can reproduce far exceeds a light GA aircraft feel if set to maximum.
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It1s far stronger and for me the efforts being put in by Fabian Lim and his team to upgrade and improve the software shows me that this yoke will be at the top of the field in the not too distant future.
Thank you for your answers. Sounds reasonable, and if there will be really a space to upgrade later then the 60 is the way to go. I assume that there is none and will be no difference regarding the two units mechanics and assembly apart from the larger servos and maybe the belts
Don’t forget the quite large difference in price. As to the unit’s size they are both the same .
Been tied up this week with other things, hence the absence. The CLS is a modular design and from the outset could take upgrades, etc. without having to replace the whole shebang.
The force available with the 60 is prodigious. I still have no idea why I would need the 120 unless I had purchased “Olympic Rowing boat Simulator 2024” and have always maintained that the important bit lies around the centre, where the much lower forces required are the order of the day.
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The dimensions are actually very different: according to the specs below, the Brunner is much more compact. Eg. +100mm for the depth of the box iteself (which is a problem for my setup).
That being said, thank you very much for the other elements of comparison. The CLS-60 seems very interesting beside the form factor.
I meant to say the difference between the Flitesim CLS 60 and 120
I also meant the cls60 and cls120. I thought thats what you meant.
Sorry I understood your answer relating to my previous question 
There is no doubt that the ergonomic considerations with the CLS are large. I lost my entire desk when replacing the stick with the 60 and now sit 2 feet back from the desk edge. Everything has changed and I am still coming to terms with this fact six weeks on.
The eye to monitor distance, the throttle position, peripheral layout, the removal of the cockpit panel that was so central to everything for the last four years. Simply achieving a new sweet spot for seating is still not complete.
Sounds like a disaster doesnt it? But it isnt. None of the above was really expected, though I was dimly aware that some things might need “tweaking” The thing is, that I have ended up being forced by the geometry of the yoke to adopt a solution that is more akin to a cockpit than a computer desk and although it is a pain, I now have learned a few things that are helping make it successful.
One of these is the folding shelf of which I got two from Amazon. Very strong and you can clamp them wherever you need them (sides for me) so that I have a comfortable surface for mouse on one side and keyboard on the other.
A second might be cheapo tablet stands for my two touchscreens so that I can run my beloved TDS GTNXI GPS screens and either Navigraph charts or Little Navmap.
A third is definitely clamp on gooseneck lighting for my avionics stack which now sits against the front of my desk and lets me see what I am doing on night flights.
None of this is definitively placed yet. What it does let me do though, is to place the yoke as the centrepiece - something it demands and with that the rest of the solution is slowly falling into an ideal place. What made all of this hassle worthŵhile? The CLS60 and I am delighted with it. I wouldnt change it even with all of the added headaches that have been listed above. If that gives just a hint of how I feel about it, then I have succeeded in my aim when writing this post.
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Thank you for your feedbacks, means a lot. Makes me decide a bit easily (and to forget the actual price)
Thought I would chime in here to point out (as an owner of the CLS60) they it’s NOT actually all metal (as incorrectly stated on their website). The yoke handle is entirely made of quite thin plastic in two ‘shells’ and has a bit of flex to it. Finish on the handle is also quite poor with raised edges where the two parts meet and poor fit between the various parts. I was very disappointed. Was expecting something along the lines of my Fulcrum One. Sadly not anything near that quality. Found it very coggy and in realistic too. Will be returning mine for refund. Quite surprised that no other reviews have mentioned the poor quality handle.
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Wow…have the cls120 and have none of these issues. Mine is built like a tank. Maybe contact them and see if there was a quality control issue and get a replacement.
Is your yoke handle plastic or metal. I have contacted them and no comment on the build quality, just advice to up the damping. So disappointed in the quality of the build and materials on the handle that don’t really want to get it back out of the box to try this though, and risk my refund.
Dont you have any pictures from your yoke?
The only things on the yoke that are plastic are the switches and the center plate of the yoke.
My yoke handle is entirely plastic! Apart from the vsmall round collar at the back where it mounts onto the shaft.