CPU otimizations

If the people they need answers from are in France, then you probably won’t see an answer for a while yet as will be very early morning right now. Probably not even seen any messages about it yet.

Regarding ‘stuttering’. And on the assumption that you are referring to those pesky ‘micro stutters’:

It is fairly widely accepted that micro stutters are but a function of a mismatch between the frames being rendered and the refresh rate [RR], thus introducing small delays.

We can however ameliorate this quite easily by the simple expedient of lowering the refresh rate to
the point where these delays are eliminated. Good!
So what methodology can we best follow to achieve this?

Firstly, NEVER set your RR lower than 30Hz -
Any lower than this and you are approaching that realm where the human eye can begin to discern individual frames, causing ‘flutter’.
A note: Some people will swear that they can see ‘flutter’ at higher [sometimes, much higher]
frequencies than our 30Hz. And whilst it is true that 30Hz should not be considered as some
kind of hard ‘cut off’ point, 30Hz is very acceptable to most people! Indeed, and by way some
perspective, for most of the history of the film industry the industry standard for the frame rate of all
those films we have watched and loved - with no problems whatever - is 25Hz!
Most of these …claims of frankly, super human powers, are then simply untrue. I have often wondered if these are the same people who also claim that they can hear audio frequencies much above 20KHz!
But that’s another discussion, for another time!

Secondly, Don’t [unless there is good reason to] make any adjustments to your NATIVE RR [as set for your desktop]! Instead with the use of your GPU’s software [eg. NVIDIA Control panel] make any changes such that they are SPECIFIC to MSFS 2020 alone.

thirdly, A further ‘bonus’ in setting your RR lower is that it can free up CPU time to perform other
time critical tasks. A useful ‘payoff’ I think you’ll agree.

However, rather than just arbitrarily chopping your RR lower and lower, try instead to achieve
a ‘final’ value for your RR that is a ratio of your maximum GAME RR.
For example:

If my desktop RR =144, set Max Frame Rate [in game] =72, set Vert Sync [in game] =36.
OR
If my desktop RR =120, set Max Frame Rate [in game] =60, set Vert Sync [in game] =30.

Now, let me be clear. I have submitted the above only in an effort to help anyone who is plagued
by micro stutters. So, with no proof nor working out in the margin to show you, my ONLY claim here is that this works for me, in that I have, to all intents and purposes, completely eliminated any micro stutters when flying my simulator!

But I say again:This is neither a panacea! nor a miracle cure.
I am no peddler of snake oil!
It may not work for you at all!

Haha. Super pictures!
Oh, though I have never met your ‘mates’, I rather think I like 'em!

Just to clarify… did you mean 4C/8T?

No, 4C/8T is still sort of ok (depending on your settings/resolution). 4C/4T is really struggling already.

If anyone has such a CPU in their computer in 2020, then something is generally going wrong with people.
It should be clear to everyone that you can’t do anything with a 10 year old CPU in a complex game today.

And yes these things must be so old.
A 4-core / 4-thread CPU is something like the AMD Phenoms in the past.

At some point it has to be good and you should think logically and understand that it no longer makes sense for developers to continue to support / optimize such old hardware.

Unfortunately, I keep reading that people insist that all games should run on their 5-10 year old computers, preferably with only onboard graphics cards.
That is simply utopian and so only slows down progress.

I would say that a new PC that is 10 times faster than such an old box does not cost more than € 500 in total.
So rather buy something cheap new instead of insisting that everything should run on some outdated hardware.
Everyone buys the new Iphone for 1400 € every year, but when it comes to a PC, people get the idea that everything should run best on a 10 year old pocket calculator.

Yeah a few, nothing that bothers me though. I do think about building a separate windows build totally cut down to the minimum, as there are so many processes happening on a PC all the time, anything could cause a stutter I would think. Just one of my theories. :slight_smile:

Unfortunately that’s not really true, Intel were still selling 4C/4T CPUs for up to $250 in 2016. Of course that was not something acceptable and it only changed once competition kicked in, but until then you had to spend quite a lot in order to get something with more than 4 threads.

I’m not saying 4C/4T CPUs in 2020 are a good idea, they’re not, and it is shameful that Intel got away with this for so long, but it is not like people are trying to get their decade-old CPUs working well today, it was just 4 years ago and $250 is quite a lot for the average consumer.

My i9-9900k eats this Sim for breakfast, my GPU however drags is tail behind somewhat but it’s more than good enough for now and it’ll have to do for the foreseeable anyway (2070Super).

Regardless any update on CPU Optimisation of any kind is always good.

Do you have hyper-threading disabled?

I can’t remember, i tend not to faff about with stuff like that as i enjoy other games & Sims so it’s more than likely on whatever Default is.

I only play msfs, would it recommended to disable it?

In 2016 I bought an Intel Xeon E3-1231 server processor which was simply a relabeled Intel I7 4770 without integrated graphics, it had 4 cores 8 threads and cost me 212 € at the time.
Bundled with a GTX 970, the computer was fast enough for over 2 years to play everything at maximum details without any problems.

Last year the graphics card was at its limit and was replaced by an RTX 2060 Super for € 380.

I used this combination until a week ago without any problems.
Even in Flightsim 2020 I was able to play everything on high with 30-60 FPS.
All other games are still running on Max Details with the combination.

Last week I switched to an AMD Ryzen 5600x and I’m still using the RTX 2060 Super.
In Flightsim everything is now on ultra and except in the A320 with Flybywire Mod I come almost continuously to 60 FPS.
This combination will be enough for me on full hd, also in other games, for at least 2 years and even then I will only have to change the graphics card again because the CPU in current games like Assasins Creed Valhalla FS 2020 etc. is only used 30%.

So on average I only spend € 400 or so every 2 years and can play everything current to the maximum.
I think that should be possible if you have the claim to be able to play everything perfectly.

Otherwise you just have to accept not being able to play on maximum settings.

So if I can use a Cpu for 200-300 € without problems for 4-5 years, I’m fully satisfied with it and it has done more than enough for its money and can be replaced.

I see, though if that was in 2016 you were essentially purchasing a 3-year-old CPU then, which meant forfeiting any IPC gains that were especially useful for older simulators at the time. It might have been a good deal, but buying hardware older than two years is rarely a cost-effective solution in many regions that do not have readily-available stock and have to place an order from a warehouse abroad instead. In that case, getting a CPU with more than 4 threads required an expense of $250 and above until 2017.

Woke up here in US thinking they would have an update on this.

Can also have been in 2015, where I bought the Xeon ^^.

But yes, it was already on the market for 2 years, but the price-performance was simply the best back then, thanks to Hypertreading, even the latest Intel I7s then were only 10 to 20% faster for a much higher price.

I just wanted to show that even I could use a Cpu for 5 years without problems, which was already 7 years old technology and could actually still use it, at least with some cutbacks in the settings ingame.
and after 5 years I don’t start to complain because a current game doesn’t run as well on the CPU as I would like.

but yes I understand your point of view and if so it is clear that you want to use your hardware as long as possible.

For me it is ok if it can be used for 4-5 years for the costs of 200-300 € and then has to be replaced.

I’m hoping they release a quick small update like they did before to push this optimization out

cpu optimizations??? for me the patch was bringing back random CTDs and performance issues alot an im annoyed.

i still works yes but these problems i had not since update 6 and in 5 the performance issues came back

Is this such a tough questions to get back an answer of what was done or wasn’t in this patch?

Well it’s fine at LOWI orbx which is all I care about right now