Just out of curiosity, is Virtualization enabled in BIOS?
I have run into it causing Win Manager freezes, not with MSFS but in general.
Funny enough, it is simple, not the actual settings but the process. There are WAY too many possible configurations but if you can eliminate all the “optional” variables and start from there, optimizing your system or software is the same process every time.
That is not to say that MSFS doesn’t need some coding optimization of it’s own and there are some bugs that can really strain the brain. All a user can do is control the controllable. Usually a very simplistic setup will alleviate most software shortfalls. It’s the best we can do until Asobo smooths out their end.
Yes, until now, (literally 5 minutes ago) I was attempting to play at those settings (ultra). I dialed them down to medium settings and FPS is at a playable 15-18. That said, I was able to before the last update/hot fix play at the ultra settings at an average 30 FPS, day, or night. Mostly night as that’s when I’m able to fly most.
Just to show how erratic and random this thing is: a couple of days ago I tried to do a VFR flight just to test stability. All was well, no stutters or other issues and half an hour later I landed. While I was taxiing back to the parking I tried to switch off the landing lights so I clicked on the button and… CTD (GPU driver timeout followed by vcruntime140).
So yesterday night I decided to give it another try after the latest MSI B550 BIOS update. First try ended in a CTD when transitioning from the loading screen to the main manu. The next 10+ tries had the exact same result. I couldn’t get past the loading screens and I’d always get vcruntime140 or even d3d11.dll errors in Event Manager.
I gave up and launched Xplane, I tested some graphics settings there and quit a few minutes later. Then I tried MSFS again without expecting it to work. This time it did though, I was able to start a flight in Rio de Janeiro (which is a HUGE area). While I was preparing the aircraft for pushback there was stuttering like I’ve never seen before, for about half a minute I was getting 1 frame every 5 seconds, the entire screen would freeze repeatedly and just when I was thinking “a CTD is imminent”, MSFS would recover and would freeze again a few seconds later.
Eventually the stuttering and freezing stopped and I was able to take off. I flew for around half an hour at very low altitude around the city (around 1000’ AGL) and performance was excellent, no hiccups, no drops in frames, everything was as it was supposed to be (I was also amazed at Rio de Janeiro, I hadn’t seen that area before and it was hands down the most amazing city landscape I’ve ever seen). I even managed to land, taxi to parking and secure the aircraft. Then I returned back to the main menu, updated some settings and exited gracefully back to Windows.
Between the 10+ CTDs of MSFS, loading Xplane and getting back to MSFS (which worked OK this time) I hadn’t changed a single thing. So why did it work the second time?
The randomness of this title is really beyond me, I’ve never seen anything like that in my 35 years of gaming.
Because we had can fix your CTD issue ( pagefile ) you can now possible join / vote / .. into one of these performance thread. ( and never forget the ZenDesk ticket ).
There are more than 100 Errors listed under Administrative Events, all logged at exactly the same time, the time of my most recent CTD, the one where all that the Sim was doing was sitting untouched at the main Home/Menu Screen in a window. Not exactly pushing any massive load on anything, like actually running the simulation!
They all refer to nvlddmkm and seem to repeat the same 2 or 3 things over and over:
That’s a part of the Nvidia driver. I don’t know which version you have installed, but you could consider upgrading this.
This is the one I get whenever I experience a crash. It’s an access violation, and likely one for Asobo to solve. The executable is trying to access memory it shouldn’t, and it then falls over.
I read somewhere that one possible workaround was to disable Windows 10’s Data Execution Prevention (DEP), but I’m not doing that for the only program I have installed that crashes.
I’m using the 465.89 driver, cleanly installed using DDU process to remove older driver first.
I’m not convinced that these newer drivers following release of 30 series cards are a particularly good fit with the previous cars such as my 2080ti, so I’ll go back to an older driver I know to be good.
Like you, I would not be willing to disable DEP just because this one program is a bag of dodgy code.
I think this is the correct approach here. There’s no point in trying the dozens of crazy workarounds that are out there aiming to correct just one application, when MSFS can crash for a thousand different reasons and for most people it’s the only problematic app in their PCs. We should be all pushing towards the dev team finally creating a stable product, rather than us going in circles or experimenting with very unreasonable “workarounds”.
It’s beyond me why some people (who obviously for whatever reason have had no issues) reply and say “get on with it, this is what software is about, it can be buggy”. I wonder if it were a car or a smartphone or a TV they owned, would they say the same or would they be suing for a replacement or a refund?
That’s why it’s so disheartening to read about world updates and eye candy improvements, when the major bugs that have been in the top of the feedback list for so many months are still unaddressed.
Well the 6600k exceeds the minimum spec but again we come back to you blaming the hardware rather than the software. Why did they even release a minimum spec if it’s seemingly irrelevant?
Min Spec according to willis: Who knows? Just keep buying hardware until it works.
Not sure about the minimum specs anyway, I remember when I first tried MSFS via gamepass a few days after its release. I had an ancient setup (i5-2500k, R9 290X, 16GB etc) so I just thought the game wouldn’t even run and that would be the end of it.
On the contrary I logged almost 200 hours with that setup and it was quite decent at 1440p with medium quality graphics (around 25fps which increased to 35+ at high altitudes or even on the ground after I decided changed my scaling to around 80-90). They may not sound a lot, but when you’re flying almost exclusively IFR especially at night, fps doesn’t matter that much, perhaps only during landings in IMC.
A CPU upgrade to 5600X w/32GB didn’t make a huge difference as the main bottleneck was the GPU anyway.
It almost comes as a joke that all my CTD issues began when I upgraded to a 6800XT. But the card itself is fine, as it hasn’t thrown a single issue in all other games I’ve tried (from visual ■■■■ like Valheim to CB2077). So at this point I’m 100% certain the only issues are with software. It may not be MSFS alone but an uncommon combination of h/w, drivers and MSFS but given that so many people seem to be having issues and that the game can crash for thousands of different reasons (from liveries, to overclocking, to 3rd party apps or addons, to desktop overlays like discord/xbox game pass etc), I can’t imagine why this isn’t an issue with the sim itself.
I have played since the release of the version compatible with the VR in December 2020, until the beginning of March 2021 with the RX 6800 XT without any small CTD.
Don’t know why I reply to some of these. There are plenty of users, genuinely interested in getting help in finding the best combination of settings for their system. Then there are those that have no interest in finding a way to enjoy their purchase even in a limited setup, but would rather continue to remind us that we have been sold a bill of goods and it is not our responsibility to help ourselves as best we can, but the responsibility of the developer to tailor the software to our wants.
Shouldn’t rant but I did. Sorry.
Now, let’s be clear @SirBloke, I did not place blame on the hardware or the software. I don’t place blame. The minimum spec is NOT irrelevant. It is a measure of the level you can run the sim at and the performance you should expect.
Read into this what ever you would like, but do not put words in my name that are not actual quotes. Your paraphrasing and interpretations do not reflect what I believe. I am here because there is useful information that I can offer that helps those that are interested.
I love reading your little missives…
There is a lot of “wisdom born of pain”, as Helen Reddy once sang. You don’t also happen to write poetry, too, do you?
New system AMD 7 5800X, EVGA 3080 FTW, 64 mb ram, M2 2TB C drive, ROG Dark Hero MB. Ran fine and then started CTD when I selected the departure airport. Didn’t matter which plane or airport I selected. Did all the usual in the troubleshooting section. (commentary: totally stupid that we have to resort to a shotgun try this, try that approach to fix this. Where is the error reporting Bill Gates?). I deleted the program and reloaded it and it ran fine for a while and then started crashing it again. I thought it was the FlyByWire A320 mod so I deinstalled that, no joy. I finally went into the Flight Conditions menu and disabled Multiplayer and Live Traffic. So far so good. I will fly it a while and add in one at a time to see which one is doing it. I am running live weather so right now my settings are: Off(Group Only), Off, and Live.
Just going to fill in for willisxdc here. I know you’ve got a good new system there but have you considered contacting China to see if they have any 2nd hand supercomputers for sale because this most certainly can’t be a software issue and your system is clearly at fault for this.
In all seriousness though, do let us know if deactivating half the software’s features actually improves stability for you or whether it’s still a shambles. Cheers.
The guy arrives with his “little” AMD 7 5800X, his “small” EVGA 3080 FTW, and with “only” 64MB of RAM, and after that he doesn’t understand why it is not working properly.
And I’m sure he hasn’t even read the book: “How to Become a Computer Engineer in 10 Lessons”
@maxwelltl until you can afford a more efficient computer, you will have to revise ALL the software settings downwards.
In the meantime, you can buy yourself a box of tissues to dry your tears.
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I try to, everytime I post here. The hope is to bring a little levity and joy to this dark place. 