Except FS2020 SDK, unlike XP11 for example, is not exposing the necessary data for it to work fine, which are the effective and actual forces on the simulated control surfaces (unless I’ve missed them).
On another topic than FFB but related to the SDK and what is “fine” in terms of peripheral devices, this video at 1’39" is showing the exact problem which makes DOF platforms useless to me:
When he is rolling to the left, the motion platform banks to the left, however in this case, it shouldn’t move at all with coordinated flight, or at least, it should have banked to the right instead to recreate the sensation of the centrifugal force. With this in mind now, try digging up all motion platforms or Yaw VR videos with flight simulation, most are wrong in term of physics, but they are right in terms of making a riding experience like in any amusement park.
True, you are only getting basic generic force feedback and control over stick centering forces. It is not aircraft specific. Still vastly better than what you get in the base sim though.
Well in theory it should be left or right or centred depending on how co-ordinated the turn was.
Ideally you should be able to co-ordinate a turn based on sideways forces you are feeling and not worry about a slip ball at all.
One of the exercises I was taught to do when training was try and maintain a straight level heading while swaying from 30 degree let bank to 30 degree right bank every few seconds but keep the slip ball in the centre. That should result in a platform like that staying level.
XP11 is not FFB happy which is a shame as it was working in earlier version. According to the dev, they don’t get the movable surface force from the aircraft matrix.
I currently own various FFB joystick and I love my moded sidewinder ffb2 with 20cm extra stick and a old saitek grip which is symetrical.
For GA correct trimming must move the pitch command (not for liners), current implementation is not correct. For aileron trimming when aivailable it should move command on every plane.
Come on Asobo make it real!
I think it came across pretty clearly – as there are no currently sold (affordable) FF controls, there is no money to be made by adding FF code for legacy controllers, so its a low priority –
Its all about PROFIT, and adding FF code is not “Profitable” to MS.
If MS were still selling a current MS FF Joystick, the code would be there, pushing the sales of that Microsoft Joystick.
At the end of the day, does it really matter if Asobo does not add true FF code .. for the limited “current” market of those few that still have a legacy FF joystick, Add-on developers like XPforce, are covering those needs, , probably far better, and certainly with better Customer Support, than Asobo can ever offer through Zendesk
BTW: I still have 2 MS Sidewinder 2 FF Joystick from my FSX days, and they work “acceptably” well with XPforce .. certainly well enough that I am very reluctant to swap them out, even with any of the “Latest & Greatest” high end consumer Yokes.
I have ordered the new Fulcrum Yoke (180 degree aileron travel and 8" of elevator travel) but my intention is to keep using the FFB2 for anything that traditionally has a stick and use the new fulcrum for traditional Yoke aircraft.
There is no modern stick i would regard as an adequate replacement for my FFB2. Aside from the lack of FFB most of the modern joysticks seem very “combat” focused, notchy with short throws to allow you to chuck your aircraft about with gay abandon but minimal or no attention payed to allowing fine control.
I think in FSX it was only partially supported. In FSX it really benefited for FsForce to give it the correct feel.
In 2020, the developer of FsForce has failed to develop a 2020 version of his software, but another Dev has, bringing out XPforce, which really brings the forces to life.
When all my simfriends using different Joysticks and all got problems with it in the sim and some using tools like FSUIPC e.t.c. I just plugin my MSSW FFB2 and it works. Never got a problem with him. It still the best Joystick!
A lot of people still use them. If everyone still using an FFB2 upvoted this thread we would hit 1000s of votes and be top of the priority list for a fix.
Yep, agree on that one CptLucky8, voted as well. If there’s one thing the Flightsim needs, is accurate descriptions as to why the sim wont start/download/load/ctd or #flyrightoutthewindow (as some users are quite sick of not being able to play)
What more can you ask for??
Well, Force feedback that doesn’t try to kill you each time you enable autopilot would be a start.
I really like how XPForce works when it works, but that has never been long enough for a complete flight. Perhaps my setup is wrong. Does it work properly for anyone else?
Well. maybe its NOT the Force Feedback but more an issue with the AP.
Depends on which AP you are talking about.
I am not familiar with the AP’s on the bigger planes, but my impression / experience is that the KAP140 AP can defiantly get into an unstable state, where it will no longer stabilize, and the only remedy is to reload the plane (that reloads the AP, back in a stable state).
All sort of possible coding possibilities come to mind, especailly when you consider that there is integration being carried out deep in the AP’s “hidden” kernal code.
Excuse me for lazy question - is there freeware tool for FFB support? If not, how soon MS going to implement it, by average opinion? Question from FS 3rd party dev.
