FSDreamTeam GSX for MSFS

Can anyone tell me why when you launch the GSX installer and hit ‘Check’ for updates, it always goes through the exercise of downloading some files and installing something (for example I see jetways file downloaded a lot), Yet the version of GSX stays the same like there were no updates, I mean it does this every time you hit ‘Check’ button. Surely it would be better to have some idea of what this step is doing if anything all. All very confusing!

With this installer I also need to re-scale my 4K windows desktop from 300%(recommended) to 225% to fit the installer app itself other wise it partially disappears off the bottom of the screen. Same goes for the GSX options in game. If I have my desktop a 300% the top half of the options form is off-screen and not srollable to so you just don’t see the whole options form. I have already tried all the Windows scaling options for the app to no avail. Only solution currently is to use desktop scaling of 225% which renders my windows desktop almost too small for me to read. (with my aging eyesight anyway). Once again this is the only time I have encountered scaling issues with a FS add on installer.

This is just how FSDT does it.

It’s the same updater for all their products, I have a few of their airports and the updater just pulls the files down whether they have changed or not.

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Thanks, interesting to know. Strange installer methodology though. Most installers usually flag an update before asking to download it.

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My experience with my other 3rd party LVFR and jet way when you select the jetway or catering Trucks, GSX gives me the option to choose what Company Logo.

I have had no issues and not uninstalled them.

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Sounds good, so I won’t see broken jetways anymore and no jetways going into my plane?

If you mean those missing jetway segments on some default airports then unfortunately not. If the default jetway is broken then the replacement is broken too. But I recall LVFR Jetways couldn’t fix that either.

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The broken jetways with missing segments is a weird LOD bug that Asobo needs to fix. If someone has not already added this as a question to ask in the next dev Q&A, they should.

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When I go to update FSDT live to update it crashes during update.

Is updating on FSDT installer sufficient or must you update both?

I’ve always updated via the Installer.

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Thanks for that!

Wasn’t sure

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This is completely normal, and we explained it on our forum, in the release notes Sticky thread. SOME files are always being downloaded, which are:

  • The Jetway replacement files for default airports.
  • The Airport Services files.
  • The GSX Custom profiles for FSDT airports that are installed at that time.

There’s a reason why these are always downloaded, and it’s because those files are made by many individual small files, which happen to compress very well into a single ZIP file, so with actual testing, we found to be way faster to just always download the ZIP file, rather than checking thousands of files on your system if they are current, so we could download just the ones that changed.

The difference is striking, especially for the “Airport Services” files, which are about 15.000 individual very small files, that when compressed into a ZIP file, it’s JUST 28MB! Checking the hash for 15.000 file would take way longer than just always redownload it, that’s why we do it.

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Thanks for the explanation. It is not intuitive for end users though.

Any chance you can look at 4K scaling on the installer interface it is currently wildly off and even the GSX options in game scale too big to fit the screen.
My windows desktop is running on a large OLED TV at 4K and requires a windows recommended scale of 300% (fonts, icons etc) to be useable. Just about every other 3rd party installer I have encountered is fine. The GSX installers (and in game options) are not scaling properly even with compatibility/scaling for the app tried at different settings. To get it to look normal/visible/scaled I have to switch desktop scaling down to 200% which renders my windows desktop(icons & text) so small that I can barely read it.

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The reason why the installer is so small, it’s precisely that, it doesn’t contain anything from GSX, it’s just an installer, so at the end of the installation, you WILL get what’s the most current version, automatically.

What I’m guessing you are referring to with “a patch, then another patch”, which of course is done completely automatically, is the download is made into two steps:

  • The bulk of the files will be downloaded first, as a set of several ZIP files, totalling about 3.6 GB, and these makes most of the size of GSX.

  • After the main set of files, all subsequent updates released after those ZIP files will be downloaded as well.

This because the main set of files are not updated as often, and there’s a reason for that: if we released a new set of main files each time we released an update ( and we have been releasing updates weekly, on average ), it would be highly inefficient to post again 3.6GB of ZIP files, just because an handful of files in them changed. Since all files needs to propagate over the Cloudflare network, posting a fresh 3.6GB of data every week, whenever anything changes “just” so you won’t see the 2nd step being performed, would be a very bad use of the network, since it’s likely we might release a new update even before the whole network of 270 servers on Cloudflare caught with the last week release.

And, if we refreshed them every week, even when everything goes well, it means that in order to fill up the Cloudflare cache, users downloading the new file would connect directly to our server ( the first user from a specific local node that ask for a certain file that has been refreshed will download it from our server, the next user from the same node asking the same file will download it from Cloudflare ) and, considering the time it takes to spread the new files over 270 servers, if we refreshed them every week, it’s very likely that not many users would take advantage of the Cloudflare cache ( = downloading from your local node ) and, instead, they would mostly download from our servers, having to share our bandwidth with everybody else, instead of being spread across 270 different servers around the world.

And not just that, it will be very bad for YOU as well because, after those 3.6GB of main files are downloaded, you’ll be ASKED if you want to save them so, even if you want to completely uninstall GSX, you won’t have to download them again! They are saved here:

%APPDATA%\Virtuali\PackagesCache

This means, upon a complete removal, if you agreed to saving the files, you won’t have to redownload them again, at least not that main bulk of 3.6GB that, with a not-so-fast connection like yours, is a significant size.

And yes, we ask for it, because it must be your decision to decide to dedicate extra space on your disk, because only you can possibly know if it’s worth it against the effort just redownloading them all.

And yes, even if this might sound “FSDT-complex” ( the meme…), do you know what other apps do ? They JUST take your disk space without even asking, just check the size of this folder:

%PROGRAMDATA%\PackageCache

I guess it’s quite big, isn’t it ? It’s the stuff left by all the various installers that just placed it there, without even asking.

So yes, there are very good reasons why the download is made in two steps this way, and is to use network resources as efficiently as possible and as accessible as possible to everybody.

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I’ll surely have a look at it.

I don’t have a 4k screen ( I use a 32:9 double 1440p) , but my partner at FSDT has a 45" 4K monitor, and he said the default font scaling size for that configuration suggested by Windows is 200% so, we tested it there and as you said yourself, it wasn’t an issue until up to 225%, but now you said you use 300%, we’ll check that.

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Can fix new update patch so it works without problems the GSX icon hangs all the time standing loading

It you mean the GSX menu is “stuck” on loading, I haven’t been able to reproduce it so far, but we know some things that can affect this:

  • The Couatl engine might just have crashed in flight, usually because it got bad data from the Simconnect Navdata API. This should be easily fixed by restarting the Couatl engine from its icon on the Desktop ( called “Start Couatl for GSX MSFS” ).

  • If Restarting Couatl doesn’t fix the menu stuck, the problem doesn’t have anything to do with GSX, it’s the Simulator Simconnect that just got stuck, not replying to commands anymore and/or not calling us, making the app stuck waiting for a reply from the sim that is not coming. This is usually a result of the very well know maximum object limit, which in addition to make objects disappear, in some cases stops Simconnect to work properly, so there’s just nothing we can do on our side to fix this, you can only try to prevent it by lessening the number of objects displayed, and lowering the AI settings will be the most effective. There’s a new update for FSLTL which seems to help the injector to create less objects now.

  • Some users reported adding the whole Addon Manager folder to the antivirus Exclusions fixed their problem with crashes in flight.

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Earlier on I was critical of the update process. But quite happy now, especially as the installer tells you what version you have and what the latest is. Simple!

One question I have is that on reading back on here about marketplace airports and the “.fsarchive” encryption that you then can’t see the afcad_path to the ‘.bgl’ file as it is in the .fsarchive .
I saw a ref to something suggesting this was going to be “fixed in SU10” was it? Can GSX see marketplace encrypted .bgl files yet? Asking for someone who has far to many marketplace airports!

They have a beta option you can check that will read encrypted airports. Check out page 80 and 81 in the official GSX manual. It goes into details on how it works and what issues you might run into if you turn it on.

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Thank you, I will go have a look.