GAS Super Stearman

No 3.0 is the update version for the Model 75

There seems to be confusion over the version numbers. the update Super Stearman is version 2.0. not 3.0. LaGaffe’s post confused the versions. The MP lists the IB75A Super as 02.11. The Model 75 is version 3.0 the MP lists it as 03.4. That is all that is forthcoming. Sorry for the confusion.

Sorry for this misfit.
The problem with MSFS is that there are version numbers to fill in at least 4 file (to multiply by the number of update to do) and of course, some files do not seem to want to accept more than the 2.0 value while others allow it and to close the whole thing I read the SDK in all directions: after 4 years they still remain full of paragraph with To Be Defined
Not to mention the fact that Microsoft when it receives packages, remakes another package and nums the product again but according to its own process which is not known to developers where versions 3 are stamped differently.

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The engine (IB74) suddenly dies shortly after take off. Being mindful of oil temp and RPMs and all. This is in MSFS 2020. Running v2.0

If i manage to land successfully and attempt an engine restart using the EFB the sim locks up. Which requires me to have to task manager out of the sim entirely.

CHT blow off still an issue, sudden irrational death of engine is still live, not good at all.

I suspect that messing with weight&ballance (oil and fuel) settings before and during flight breaks wasm system of this plane, causing CHT issue etc. :thinking:

TEST: I performed two identical conditions flights:
1st time, in w&b I changed quantity of oil and fuel in cold and dark state on apron - CHT exploded during taxi.
2nd time, no messing with w&b menu at all - normal behaviour of all systems.

UPDATE:
In 2nd attempt, after about 1hour of flight with all parameters in norm, at altitude 4000ft, oat:20c, mp:25, rpm:1700, mixture: full open, fuel boost pump: on - CHT started to rise constantly from 430 f deg. to the dead.
Honestly? Since purchase I couldnt finish any flight over 1hour without cht ailure. That is something. I put this plane on my top 10 but for now it for daredevils who like to have emergency landing each flight :angry_face_with_horns::smiling_face_with_horns:

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@Udidwht
Okay, but do you have more details?

During the tests, some people of TEAM had problems at first but they gave me more information or screens or videos of their problems which helped greatly diasgnostiquer the origin of the problem.

Regarding the temperature, it is well indicated in the documentation to wait until it is at least 40°C before taking off otherwise it can damage the engine.

Using the engine beyond the maximum number of revolutions/minute allowed or for too long a period also causes problems on the engine.

If you do not follow these tips, it is logical that the engine stops on failures.

@Maxxuss1549
This aircraft does not have a Wasm add-in but XML scripts that manage the additional parameters.
The fuel and oil levels must be checked on the ground before starting the engine, moreover in case of started fitter it is impossible to make the supplement of oil: it is indicated in the documentation.

To fill the oil it is necessary to use the OIL BY-PASS switch to unlock the access to the oil circuit but once the supplement is done, it is imperative to close it otherwise the radiator can not do its job and the oil heats up abnormally, It is still in the documentation.

Besides who makes the oil supplement with an airplane in flight? Tom Cruise in MI8 but not a real pilot :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Well I chose the EFB option Ready to fly and engine still dies. if I manage to land without crash and attempt restart the sim locks up. Have to task manager out.

Have you click on the RESET button in the DATA BOX with the engine OFF & battery OFF to be sure to start in good conditions ?
When an hard engine problem occurs, you need to reset the failures/damage counter before launching an other flight.

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@Maxxuss1549,

Here an extract of the engines.CFG which indicates the revolutions/minutes to use:
[PISTON_ENGINE]
; --------------------------------------------------------------------------
; REFERENCE PERFORMANCE DATA : Doc 1-743 Revision 15 BOEING October 15 1987
; --------------------------------------------------------------------------
; Pratt & Whitney R-985 WASP JR. T1B3 (AN-1 or AN-3)
; --------------------------------------------------------------------------
; Take-Off Power : 450 Hp at 2300 RPM @ 37.5" Hg at sea level to 37" Hg at 1500 ft (1500 ft is the critical altitude).
; METO Power : 310 Hp at 1950 RPM @ 35 " Hg (CAA and FAA artificial METO limitation)
; Climb Power : between 260 Hp and 270 Hp at 1900 RPM @ 29.0¨ Hg => 90 MPH (IAS)
; Cruise Power : 200 Hp at 1800 RPM @ 26.2" Hg => 115 MPH (16 g/h) at sea level
; - - : => 103 MPH (IAS and 13 g/h) at 9000 ft
; --------------------------------------------------------------------------
; Supercharger Impeller ratio: 10:1
; ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

According to what you write, you use this plane with 2700 RPMs (2700 RPMs are in the red zone so it’s autorised for short period only) while its cruise speed must be 1800/2000 RPMs … Under these conditions, I think you’re lucky to be flying for that long.

In the Documentation folder, you can read this operational conditions in the POH document at the section References :

It does not seem to me that the long-term flight at 2700 RPMs is allowed.

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Correction : rpm was 1700 actually (2700 is not even possible) :thinking: Im really sensitive with this plane, anyway it dies on me.

for anyone having trouble running the Super Stearman here is a video on the startup and operating process. There is no dialogue but you can see the instruments and controls in the video.
The 450 Pratt is a powerful motor but still requires rather constant management - carb heat, throttle, mixture, and prop RPM management is required to keep CHT and oil temperature in the green. You need to operate the prop RPM lever slowly and gently or the prop will ‘cycle’ up and down in the RPM ranges. You cannot keep the big radial running without using ALL of the controls and paying attention to the gauges. This IS what a lot of folks ASK for but frequently then complain about when they lack the patience to dial it all in…maybe. Ok - that’s what I do..

This is the latest release version and the one folks should be flying. This is on PC not Xbox

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I’m sure everyone who bought this plane, did it for its fidelity, rode the manual (me few times) and apllied all measures to have fun adding more fidelity to “easy” stearman. Xbox usually kills my “super” stearman flying much more cautiously than your presenttion. I’m happy for pc users they don’t have such problems on xbox.
GAS stream feels like smoke&mirror system, I would pay small fortune for Pmdgs stearman with their excellent radial system (I fly their dc-6 without FE) …

do you need to bash the product or suggest another developer, one that has no interest in this type of aircraft by the way, could do better? is this the best way to register your frustration?
There are folks that are testing the GAS products on Xbox and on both MS2020 and MS2024 and are providing feedback and so far this has not been an issue for them, that I am aware of.
Have you connected with GAS directly and provided a video of your experience?
Here is how to record a video on Xbox for anyone that needs it

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Thanks FusioHorse for attempting to clarify concerns and your support. Maxuss was offered the opportunity to test the recent upgrade and declined opting only to opine but not contribute. Thats okay with us. We have a venue for customer support and it is not here.

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I’m on xbox… how can I test the betas planes on console? :thinking: What are you guys talking about? The Emulation :flushed_face:? The only thing I can do for this product is my opinion (which I did on this forum and directly to gas by support) THIS IS MY CONTRIBUTION. After v2.0 “super” is l still “super” unreliable on xbox (there are other similar opinons on this forum, not just me). I’m still being send back to manual after signalising any issue with this plane and seems that only straight forward bugs were fixed in v2.0 on xbox ( which I pointed to gas - the fuel valve and CHT/oil temp rising when engine off bugs). I have right to be upset with xbox state of this plane.

There is a method through the MP that invites console users to DL and test beta products its by invitation only. I asked you and you declined your tone was not collaborative so that ended the discussion which then would have set the next step.

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Here is a video demonstrating the proper start sequence and power management of the Super Stearman V2.0 Xbox edition. I hope this clarifies existing concerns and provides clarity in the functionality for our console users

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That is how “super” stearman ends up EVERY time on my xbox. After 30-40min of normal cautious flight, cylinders overheating is unstoppable and unpreventable.

end of 40 minutes flight

couple of things we can’t see - how rich or lean is your fuel mixture? do you have carb heat on and to what setting?
running too lean can cause engine overheat while too rich can cause fouling which also ends in engine failure.
Having the carb heat set to full can also impair engine function - while not using it at all can cause carb icing or shock cooling of the engine also resulting in failure.
In the video all we can see for sure is the temp spike and engine quitting. While we can probably rule out the carb heat settings we still have no idea about your fuel air mixture setting.
I have flown all of these variants of the GAS Stearman for an hour or more in each version since Beta - the RELEASED versions have all had no failures. I am on a PC and do not own an Xbox for testing however it is my understanding that others have tested them for durability on Xbox.
You were offered a chance to participate in the testing and were not inclined.
While I’m sure your video will be reviewed I’m not certain it will be helpful as is.

OK, imho the only two factors causing such leaking but unstoppable CHT overheating after long stable cruising is either mixture very much too lean or oil leak. Mixture was full reach (alt 3000ft) so the only thing causing such CHT boiling which comes to my mind is Oil lost, as you see in video in w&b oil level was O.K. So, I have no clue what is the cause of these engine failure :person_shrugging: … This plane should be quite predictable machine as IRL, this kind of misfortunes add spice to IT undeniably … but not every flight :wink:. That’s it, Im out. Good luck.