Well, in custom weather we at least have some gusts The gusts should decrease the higher we are flying. Over the first layer of clouds it should be the most stable windspeeds but never in a complete constant rate. Winds is not a constant thing. It varies more or less all the time. Roads we driving on with cars is stable and constant, the air we fly in is not.
Here is a video that shows how much better the experience is with gusts only by standing on the runway. First is live-weather, Then i turn on custom-weather and last i put on gusts. You can hear the difference in the wind. Even sounds more natural with varied windspeeds.
Just another reason for them to open up the weather system. I donât know, but it seems to me like theyâre reaching a limit of their knowledge and perhaps some 3rd party can bring the sim to a more âaliveâ state.
Nice graphs by the way, thatâs exactly the thing the devs need to see. Wind speed and direction constant, or nearly constant with very little variations = unrealistic.
I used to be dead set against this, because I think itâs important for developers, especially of the base sim, to take responsibility and fix things. Not force people to spend yet more money to make something work as it should have to begin with. But the more time goes on, the more time I waste in these forums, itâs becoming apparent that Asobo either lack the technical expertise and knowledge to fix things, or they just donât care. Based on that Iâm beginning to also wish they would just allow someone else to take over the weather side.
Thank you for taking the time to do all of these tests and report them. I genuinely hope the devs notice these things and are actively working on them. IMO, and I think a lot of others would agree based on various flight simming forums, the weather is by far, in its worst state yet. Gusts are gone. Cloud Turbulence is non existent. Turbulence over mountains just seems like a guaranteed equation (mountains = turbulence). Layers are non existent. Overcast always displays with holes in it. Cumulus everywhere. These weird new tiny puffs with clear skies.
I think its time to scrap METAR, or have it as a toggle and focus on meteoblue worldwide weather again. It was so goodâŠ
I agree. To me an accurate weather is a dynamic & alive weather not a dead atmosphere with no variations in it. IRL it always varies more or less also we had it alive at release. With known METAR values it will be less & less alive with more & more static/generic things in it that interfare with the complete picture of the weather.
This issue i donât know if itâs METAR that causes it though. I think itâs more that they turned it down or something. If itâs working in custom weather they could make it work in live-weather as well.
Agree, i think though itâs much changed to fit those METAR things in the code though. Itâs not just add those METAR in the sim. I think many complained that wind didnât match METAR after release. Thats maybe why we have those constant winds in the sim now. We canât complain they not matching anymore, they really do. The problem is that wind doesnât work like that IRL. Even if METAR say 13kts for example, it still varies all the time. Itâs just a measured avarage of the winds in a 10-minutes period of time. The gust is the highest value of those measured windspeeds in that period of time. 1 second after that METAR-report the windspeed could be 20KTS. In the sim we know that the wind will be 13KTS all the time, doesnât need to meassure that.
Known values = needs to be static to match 13KTS
Real weather = always dynamic doesnât need to match anything
Forecast = Doesnât need to report static things because the weather is unknown. Only limits of of predicted values. Like winds between 13-20KTS. But that also makes us say it doesnât match those 13kts METAR reports but to me this is more accurate to how winds actually work. Not always accurate to real world conditions though.
I may be mistaken, but back in September 21 I think it was, lots of people were asking for METAR rather than live weather because the live weather wasnât matching the METAR report from the real airport they were flying to. Thereâs possibly an argument to ditch the METAR weather and just stick with live weather if itâs accurate?
Well, if they use forecasted weather we canât be sure itâs accurate all the time. It will be more dynamic and varied as weather is.
They could make the ATIS be accurate and maybe create own METARS based of the weather occuring in the sim that needs to match the dynamic weather in the sim we are using. Like an own weather in the sim. Thats what i thought this sim should have and i adapted to that. Now i donât know what it is anymore. One global sun with a local sun over every airport. At release it was only one sun in the sim, it was meteoblue.
Yes they rely on that but the weather most likely has changed when we arrive on that planned airport anyway. Like it does IRL too. METAR is a report of the weather that has occured right now or 29 minutes ago. Not what is happening in the future. Metar also is a meassure of the wind in a 10 minutes interval. Itâs not realistic inject constant wind at METAR values as weather in the sim. Itâs realistic to use a METAR to plan our landings/takeoff but we still need to be aware of weather changes because weather changes all the time. Itâs not fixed like METAR is.
People who fly online (IVAO, Vatsim) needs to have live weather and real life METAR is closest source available. Itâs not going to work with some forecast model which can be something very different than what weather is in real life. And those same people is the ones who is still using this sim in 15 years when screenshot takers are moved to next sim already, so I would say that weather based on METARs are important to have.
Why do they need that? And what things from METAR do they need? In a flight sim the weather needs to be fixed at METAR to be able to use Vatsim? Then Vatsim isnât realistic i would say. It would always match if they did own observations of the weather in MSFS and report to the users. Because IRL weather can change and pilots can land or maybe use another airport. They canât change the weather to match METAR. Nobody can IRL. Itâs not realistic to change weather to fit METAR. And itâs not realistic to have more than one source of weather.
I was like that when this sim got released. I used FSX & P3D since they were released. I thought the weather in this sim was amazing compared to those other sims that used METAR. Much more realistic & believable. I learned that this sim weather needs to be compared to forecasts instead of METAR. Is it wrong to take screenshots? Those using Vatsim doesnât take screenshots you mean?
People fly on IVAO etc. with airplanes that hardly match the real life counterparts. Why does the weather have to match METAR then? And as perry has said many times, METAR is not real weather either.
And one thing i donât understand is that many that tells METAR is so important and forecast is so bad wants both so much together. I donât understand it. Itâs more unrealistic to have both together than have them separate because they are 2 completely different things to me. Forecast/prediction = future METAR = past
Future/past hybrid doesnât exist.
Future and past canât be realtime together because real time is real time.
I think we need to choose what we want. We had that option before su7.
3rd party addons use METAR past weather. Compatible with Vatsim users
Live weather used 100% meteoblue future weather at release compatible with me and others that find that kind of weather realistic.
In real life the METARs reflect real weather as an observation, itâs not the other way around. So i think it should work the same in the sim. If the weather is accurate, the METARs will automatically be correct.
But pulling the weather from the METAR every couple of hours doesnât work because weather is a dynamic thing and the weather observations are static. So you see very hard borders and sudden changes around the airports now because the weather outside of the METAR bubble is dynamic and the vicinity of the airport stays the same until the next metar report.
I think they have to go with meteoblue for all clouds and METAR for visibility and other things meteoblue doesnât provide.
I think if they make weather look more real, more cloud types, better wind simulation it will look more like what the METAR is saying.
This conflicts with meteoblue clouds. They need to change the meteoblue clouds to not create low visibility when VFR condition is reported in METAR. I think that is why we see strange weather now. Low clouds from meteoblue creates low visibility. That we know since before su7. Those clouds they need to remove or change.
Well, this thread is about gusts & turbulence. I donât think itâs good to discuss clouds in here as well though.
I agree, meteoblue should simply not create ground clouds. But doesnât meteoblue cover visibility?
Because then they can draw fog instead of clouds. The ground clouds are not realistic, i donât get why they donât draw fog instead of clouds under a certain altitude.
The gusts should decrease the higher we are flying. Over the first layer of clouds it should be the most stable windspeeds but never in a complete constant rate. Winds is not a constant thing. It varies more or less all the time. Roads we driving on with cars is stable and constant, the air we fly in is not.
