How many CTDs do you have per number of Flights? Lets compare?

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Having said that though, I think that some of the people posting here regarding frequent CTDs may be having hardware problems. The sim pushes hardware to its limits sometimes, and a CTD in such circumstances isn’t really a software issue. Or at least, not an MSFS one.

I want to add one thing to this – MSFS has a very different CPU profile than most games. A typical FPS game is very heavy on the GPU, and moderately heavy on a single CPU thread, and might have a little bit of usage on other threads.

MSFS is very heavy on the GPU, and very heavy on 2-4 threads (one of them usually being the performance-limiting factor if it’s not the GPU at the moment) plus additional lower-level usage on every logical processor for the parts of the simulation that can be multithreaded well currently.

MSFS will stress your system in a much stronger way than other games. Just because other games work doesn’t mean MSFS isn’t stretching your hardware to the breaking point.

Too much heat, or too much power draw on the CPU from running all those cores over a long period of time, is exactly the kind of thing that makes crashes happen. And the harder one pushes MSFS, the harder it’ll push the hardware.

Always, ALWAYS check your hardware once you’ve eliminated the mods. Disable your overclocks. Double-check your thermal paste and your fans. Watch your termperatures.

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With me it happens no matter what I fly, but I think they working and ha e it resolve. :crossed_fingers:

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Agreed, this is why MSFS should be a standard benchmark for gaming performance. At least more reviewers are including it in their test suites now.

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I once had a crash when changing to another plane in DevMode… for the rest.. very stable!

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I rarely ever have a CTD but oddly enough today I get a CTD everytime I try to start the game and get to the looking for updates screen. Nothing changed, I was flying last night and shut the computer down, now MSFS is toast. Fun times.

Update:

Interesting, finally got it to start. I think it may have had something to do with leaving dev mode on and it was interfering with Linda some how.

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Im getting a few CTD these days at the end of the flight, After getting to the gate and going back to main menu is when it happens ,3 times out of every 10 flights…Give or take

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@ThatAJWGuy, you should give it a shot sometime, it can be a lot of fun, and depending on your interests lie, when they get the multi-pilot in one aircraft working, that could add to it, too. Although if you’re a bit creative, you can use MS Teams (and probably many other packages like Skype, or join.me, or others) to sort of do that now, with some limitations.

That said, I haven’t been all that successful in finding people who want to fly multiplayer, so if you want to try it, just for giggles, let me know and we can fly together. I’ve even got a channel setup on Discord that we can use to actually speak with each other, as MSFS has no built in utility that allows that to happen, which it should have.

So LMK if you are interested in giving it a shot, and if not, have an awesome day! In fact, either way I hope you have an awesome day!

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I occasionally have CTD when I complete a flight and start another one without exiting MSFS. So to be sure I always exit MSFS before I start a flight and if I am going to start a complicated flight then I reboot also.

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Yeah Same here

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It’s my recommendation to always do a reboot before going flying, unless you’re doing like a landing challenge, or just hopping into an aircraft for some quick testing or something along those lines. If you’re going flying, then do yourself a favor and do a quick reboot before you do. Worst case scenario it does nothing to help, and you’ve spent 45 seconds doing a meaningless reboot. (Assuming you’re booting from an SSD, don’t expect a spinner to do that in 45 seconds! For that matter, I’m not a fan of having spinners in a system at all in 2021 unless it’s being used to store (but not edit) a large amount of videos/movies.)

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Kev, I have to ask, were your health issues caused by a HDD? :wink:
I may be old school and maybe more patient than most but my research shows that other than read/write speed SSDs just aren’t there yet. $$/MB, $$/cycle (cost over lifespan), large capacity availability (4+TB) all fall well short of the good old HDD.

I have an SSD in my Surface. Yup its quicker. Don’t have to worry about bumping it while its working. Dropping it is only a problem for the screen. However I generally don’t carry my tower around the house or take it camping. Can’t remember the last time I dropped it.

Just an observation. :slight_smile:
I have a feeling that HDDs must have done something evil to you in the past.
They normally are quite friendly.

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How many CTD’s ? Well let’s see I have 679 flights in my log now. I experienced a CTD above Innsbruck Airport (LOWI) in a third party freeware sailplane. I experienced a CTD when the scenery editor in SDK started to do funny things and I wanted back to main menu. And I experienced a CTD loading London city once, when market place London was still installed along with the UK update. So I have had 3 CTD’s since begin november, that is about 0.44% of my flights ended in a CTD. Only in the case of Innsbruck it occured while flying..

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@willisxdc, not at all, they’re just dogass slow. It takes me about 17 seconds to boot from power off, and about 45 seconds to go from powered on, through shutdown, and through a reboot, depending on what I have going on when I shutdown. Some games (most notably MSFS, I don’t even want to think about how long it would take to start from a spinner) are being built assuming they’re going to be run on an SSD, and while a spinner does have an advantage over an SSD when it comes to $/MB, that really only helps when dealing with large files, like the videos I referenced.

HDDs make for great nearline storage (NAS), good backup targets (on your NAS), because you backup in the middle of the night (right?), so who cares how long it takes, and if you’re doing incrementals anyway (which you should be), and not a lot has changed, it can be over in 2 minutes. They’re also good for videos (on your NAS) because they’re plenty fast enough to view a video, even one in 4k, without going so fast that your storage can’t keep up, plus the $/MB thing.

I’ve got 4TB of SSD storage on my rig (which is still a lot), and is 1x1TB NVMe 970 EVO+, which I use for winders, documents (except videos and movies), MSFS and a handful of other games, which is about half full, 1x2TB 860 EVO which I use exclusively for other games, that has 1.5TB free, though I’m currently putting another 80GB on it (DCS), and 1x1TB 850 EVO that I use exclusively for MSFS addons like LNM, and FS cache (when I’m using it, which I’m not right now), and it’s got almost 800GB free. The grand total for all of that was about $680 when I bought them, and the 2 non-NVMe drives were holdovers from my older system that were purchased months or years in the past. I don’t need all of that storage, but I already had most of it, and I wasn’t going to throw it away, so I’m using it. It would cost a lot less with today’s pricing, which I’m too lazy to look up. (OK, so I got unlazy and looked it up. To buy that exact thing today would be $546, which is about 20% less than I paid.)

And if you don’t want a NAS (because either, “What’s a NAS?”, or for cost issues), an external USB is fine, too, at least for a single computer. Though even that can be moved around from computer to computer to get the backups done, and access the video files, though only one system at a time, and without the external access advantage.

A lot of people would be just fine with just the 1TB NVMe for everything (except movies), though that might hamper their ability to keep a lot of games stored locally. But with how easy they are to uninstall and reinstall from the cloud when needed that I don’t see that being a problem for most folks.

Now, back on the videos, I’ve got over 8TB of those, and that’s gonna start growing a LOT as I transition to 4k movies, that would be cost prohibitive (and completely unnecessary) to put on SSDs. It I only had a few, then I could put them on an SSD with no issues, but… I’ve got 8TB worth LOL… Not everybody has that much, but some people make me look like a rank amateur. Plus, by having them on my NAS, I can literally view my entire library from anywhere on the planet that I’ve got Internet coverage that’s fast enough.

So… sorry that I ended up writing an entire PHd thesis on PC storage at home in 2021, but that’s my deal with SSDs vs. spinners. Now aren’t you glad you asked? :wink:

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I make sure I always do a Restart which is different than a shut down and boot back up. The restart wipes the memory, and shutdown and start up does not/, in windows 10.

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Well, with the latest Radeon drivers 21.3.2, it’s about within 3 to 5 minutes.
Reverting to the stable 21.2.2, it’s usually trouble free flights, with a very occasional CTD.

Now you can see why I downgraded…

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…with a default clean install.

“Fast Startup” is the old Windows Fast Boot. It is enabled by default when Win 10 is installed. I am a strong advocate of disabling this feature. It has been known to cause corruption, particularly if you use more than one O/S. With “Fast Startup” enabled, the system simply closes any running programs and saves the kernal , drivers and such to an image file. When you boot up, the system just restores your memory from the image file. It also locks the HD so it cannot be accessed. Not a problem unless you try to dual boot another O/S. Then bad news.

Unless you are trying to get your system to boot before the timer expires on a nuclear device, the extra few moments required to start up from cold and dark shouldn’t overly impact your well being. The possible inability to reinitialize a driver update and the adherent file corruption just might heave an effect on that happiness though.

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None. I probably fly an hour a day. For sure I don’t have the worlds fastest PC. Everything is set to Med. I do have NeoFly installed as well.

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I said Restart, not fast startup

From MS: “Shutting down a Windows computer actually creates a deep hibernation file that the PC later leverages to allow for Fast Startup. A restart, on the other hand, completely kills all processes, clears the RAM, and clears the processor cache,” he explains.Mar 23, 2020

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it is the feature behind and I recommend, like @willisxdc , each user to disable this quick start feature. ( My Thoughts on CTD's - #10 by MichaMMA )

Beside of this, to be sure, made sometime a Restart.. because you are right: in Windows 10 is shutdown and restart not the same.

Users can simple check when a real ‘restart’ was made with help of the task-managers “up time”:

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If a strange high value is shown and not the time which is gone since PC was started, then users not made a real restart.

EDIT: replaced Reboot with the word Restart, so that it better match what @Riverrover mentioned
=> but meant is/was with Reboot of course that Restart: the Windows → Restart Button. About that I wrote.

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As shown in my post above from MS, reboot and restart in the W10 are not the same thing. Restart is what should be used to clear everything.