How many people have FS2024 but still choose FS2020?

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I do commend those who made the sacrifice to Beta test 2024. I don’t say that smugly either, and feel that people who have purchased should be compensated in some way.

I’ve not even bothered with entertaining buying 2024, keeping tabs on the current state of the sim, probably like most users.

2020 is stable. Everything works, VR is optimised. all my add-ons work, and I can finish a flight (stability is the most important!). Until 2024 can offer that (which given 2020’s turbulent start will be later this year), I refuse to touch it, and that seems a mad thing to say given my PC build of a 7800x3D and 4090 was built purely as a flight sim rig.

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I was in a similar place up until a few days ago.

Then I decided to ask what people were doing that I wasn’t that gave them success in 2024.

So I tired 2024 again.

I spent a fair amount of effort jumping through hoops to try and get 2024 to do what I have always been able to do in 2020 with ease. Naturally. I encountered more issues and bugs. I found 2024 using 22GB+ of my 24GB of VRAM. I had a couple of CTDs.

Once I accomplished that, I wanted to see what of my 2020 content would work in 2024. That shattered any illusion that I had started to believe 2024 might be something I could try to use more like how I’d want. I picked the IniBuilds Bf208 Taifun to try. It’s got some compatibility issues. IniBuilds aren’t going to address them (I asked). I’m not sure I want to go down the rabbit hole of trying all my other 2020 purchases to see how they fair. I expect it will be more of the same dim/bright displays and/or other oddities that are anyone’s guess when/if they will be addressed. The 2020 compatibility thing hasn’t born fruit for me, as far as aircraft are concerned. (The Taifun isn’t the only 2020 aircraft I’ve checked out, just the latest)

I feel so frustrated by what has happened and I don’t understand why it had to be like this.

I don’t want to bother with this bottomless bag of 2024’s shortcomings. I simply do not see what I am getting from 2024 that is SO much better than 2020 to warrant putting up with its nonsense. Yeah, I really like the Seastar and the Albatross, but not enough to deal with all the other issues I keep finding. I want to fly the add-on airplanes I spent good money on. I want to not be constantly coming here to report bugs that I have no idea of if/when they will be addressed.

I want my love of this hobby to not be tainted by this experience. If November 19th had never happened I wouldn’t even feel this way, because I had a great sim I flew all the time — I wouldn’t have invested so much in it if it wasn’t great.

Tomorrow, when I sit down to fly I’m going to fly 2020, again.

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I paid for both games but I have little time for 2024. I got caught up in the hype but am wondering about the new version, so now I am just flying 2020. Yes, there is a delay loading 2020, but I can wait as I have all my
Addons with it, planes that I want to fly like the PMDGs and all the scenery that I purchased. We were told that they were usable in 2024 but to date, no go!

So the only thing I access 2024 is to see if they have allowed us to use the Marketplace, which at this time I am writing this, they have not. It has been a waste of my time and money so for me it is still 2020!

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I’ve tried it these months, but I’m going back to 2020, maybe I’ll continue using 2024 sometime for a vfr flight. But for airliners I go back to 2020, the performance in VR is atrocious in 2024 and I don’t think the graphical leap is that big

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I end up reading most of your posts, but somehow this one slipped by me. I read through the whole thing, and your experience with tinkering and troubleshooting echoes mine. It sucks that all we can really do is blind trial-and-error troubleshooting. It’s not like we can actually triage problems. No one really knows how the sim works yet (not anyone’s fault), and so much data is encrypted, so mods that fix things don’t really exist yet. I suspect that the amount of things that can be fixed by end users will be significantly lower than FS20 because of the streaming nature of FS24, even after assets are decrypted (if that ever happens).

I really can’t handle FS24 anymore. It’s a huge disappointment all around, and there aren’t enough positives to put up with the negatives. I agree that the Seastar and Albatross are two of them.

I’m glad I read your comment here, and the post you linked to. You’ve mirrored and validated my own feelings about FS24. Unfortunately, my love for this hobby is tainted, at least for now. I have had an idea bouncing around in my head though, and you’ve motivated me to start working on it.

I’m going to fly around the world in nothing but radial-engined aircraft. It will take forever, and I don’t care. And I’m going to do it in FS20. Routes that I can’t do in the Grumman Goose, I’ll do in the DC-3, DC-6, or Super Constellation. Maybe I’ll even cross the Atlantic in the Redgrave Stratoliner…

Two months of all tinkering and no flying has made me sad about this hobby, but maybe it’s time to get back into the skies. Should I start a thread and post about it?

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It is time.

If anything, at all, it is time to take back what our excitement, disappointment and frustration with 2024 has taken from us — our enthusiasm for flight simming.

I don’t want to sell my gear, I don’t want to stop interacting with people like you and many others on this forum that love this hobby and everything about aviation that surrounds it.

I know we aren’t alone. I have read how disillusioned many people here are as a result of how this went down. It’s okay to feel that way, just as much as it is okay to be one of those who is finding joy with 2024.

The focus should be on flying how we want to be flying right now. I want to fly the DC-6 and be able to read its radio displays. I want to fly the Stratoliner with my mod. I want to fly the Bf 108 and hear its engine sounds climbing and falling with RPM. I want to fly the C310R. I want to fly at night and have the lighting on my aircraft simply be working. I don’t want to be constantly finding new bugs that break the spell of why I sat down to fly in the first place.

I have no idea if/when any of that will be able to be done in 2024, but I’m not going to stand around with my hands in my pockets waiting to see if/when it will happen.

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I have both. Have not touched MSFS 2020 since the day that MSFS 2024 was launched. I will install MSFS 2020 on my travel laptop. MSFS 2024 is on my gaming desktop.

In the last 12 months I put 100 hours on MSFS 2020. In the last 2 months I have put 100 hours on MSFS 2024. Dang you Career Mode!!!

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You’re right, I don’t have to throw in the towel on the hobby just because the latest sim is a mess. That’s silly, given the investments I’ve made.

I need to hear radial noises again. I need to putter along at 80-120 kts and watch the world go by. I need to forget about FS24 for awhile and enjoy what I have, a reliable sim with just the right addons for me.

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I was on the fence investing quite a sum to upgrade my hardware and further on getting new addons for FS2024.

But today’s flight in the new sim finally convinced me not to proceed. I will not give up this beloved hobby but will stick to FS2020 for at least another year. My investment goes to another hobby of mine (photography) and my wife is happy about it as she didn’t like to see me in front of my PC for so many hours per week.

I will keep myself informed and will even test run the new sim when updates appear.

There’s still so much to do in FS2020, I guess I will not get bored for another year.

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We are so lucky they didn’t revamp FS2020 and leave us with no other option! Imagine they’d updated 2020 to the mess 2024 is now. We’d have no choice but to quit flightsimming or go use Xplane…

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I thought there woud be more complaints! But hey, if people stay away from MSFS 2024, It keeps server loads low and the interest of MSFS 2024 programmers high, for tweaks and improvements.

Did the people who have given up on MSFS 2024 actually get a refund or did you just write off your purchase?

This is how I look at it: The cost of MSFS 2024 was $170. I have 100 hours on it, so my cost is $1.70/hour. That’s some pretty cheap entertainmen.

MSFS 2024 for me has rejuvinated my interest in simming because of the Missions. It gives the game some purpose and structure. It has caused me to learn more about the different planes and their FMCs.

MSFS 2024 is a keeper for me!!

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I finally got 2024 in a state where I can fly with most of my 2020 settings and setups and go from point a to point b and complete the flight. There are still many bugs and issues - and for the moment I am limited to Latin VFR planes as I dont want to go thru the hassle of setting up the Asobo provided ones (flight plan from the planner is just to limiting to me right now). I think I will be 50/50 between 2020 and 2024 - but to be honest there just isnt enough for me (I only do Free Flight) right now to be fully on 2024. Hopefully there will be good updates in the next few months that will make 2024 the better option for me…I do see some things I like in it when it works.

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Why YOU may not like MSFS 2024:

If you have MSFS 2020 and all you do is random flights, especially VFR flights, then you are not going to like MSFS 2024. Under this scenario, you simply will not be impressed.

MSFS 2024 is about improved graphics. It is about improved flight physics. It is about missions.You need the computing power to experience these new features. If your computer barely meets the specs for 2024, then it is not going to be a good experience.

MSFS 2024 is about Missions. Challenging missions in Career Mode. In Career mode, landings are challenging and difficult and give you a real sense of achievement when successfully completed. It is all about hard approaches and arrivals that teaches you new skills. This level of challenge is simply not available in MSFS 2020.

MSFS 2024 Career Mode is forced learning that requires you to do flight planning. It forces you to master aircraft flight management computers and navigation. It forces you to to learn and enjoy IFR and IMC flying. It forces you to do RNAV approaches in bad weather. It forces you to do tough landings in mountain valleys in IMC flying. It makes you do tricky crosswind landings. It makes you do tear drop approaches and circling approaches and circling climbs to avoid terrain.

If you are not interested in these challenges and learning, then MSFS 2024 is not going to be worth it for you.

I was a casual simmer. Since the release of MSFS 2024, I have flown more in the last 2 months on MSFS 2024 than in the last 12 months on MSFS 2020. MSFS 2020 was getting quite boring and easy for me.

MSFS 2024 has issues and is not refined compared to MSFS 2020. But is way harder and way more challenging, The graphics on MSFS 2024 are also way better, especially in 4K. The flight physics are way more accurate.

MSFS 2024 planes are way harder to fly than MSFS 2020 planes because of the less accurate flight physics in MSFS 2020. MSFS 2020 landings are super easy to master, even on the max realism settings. MSFS 2024 landings are way harder and challenging. The airliner landings in MSFS 2024 are so much harder than on MSFS 2020. Butter landings in MSFS 2020 translate to almost crash landing in MSFS 2024 on the same plane.

Since the release of MSFS 2024, I have not touched MSFS 2020. MSFS 2020 was so easy for me that it became SUPER boring. MSFS 2024 missions and flying is so much more challenging, that I look forward to flying it everyday.

If you buy MSFS 2024 to do the exact same flying on MSFS 2020, then you are guaranteed to be disappointed. MSFS 2024 is all about Career Mode, improved graphics and improved flight physics. One or more of these features has to appeal to you enough, to make the switch.

Hope this helps your decision. Happy sim flying!!

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I’m desperate for 2024 to start working as well as 2020. It absolutely does feel so much more realistic and airliners are much trickier to land. Even taxiing is a joy and needs to be done properly - anyone else managed to flip their Cessna 172 by taking a corner too fast? :rofl:

But unfortunately on Xbox airliners are still very stuttery and all textures are blurry so for now, 2024 is for messing around on and 2020 is for the love of flying

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This!!! Yes, on MSFS 2020 I thought landing airliners was super easy and a joke. All my landings were butter. MSFS 2024 airliner landings are super hard and my landings look bad.

I watch real airliner pilots land the airliners in MSFS 2024 and they are super smooth. So definitely mad skills are required to land a real airliner and an MSFS 2024 airliner smoothly. Real airliner pilots have said the flight physics of the airliners in MSFS 2024 are much improved.

I am desperately trying to get my MSFS 2024 airliner landings to look like my MSFS 2020 landings. It is a huge challenge for me and I like that.

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I am working on perfecting my Embraer eJet landings in 2020. They are not supported in 2024 yet, so I have time. :sunglasses:

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I pop in and out of 2024, usually just the thought of setting up another aircraft control profile has me bounce back out unless it’s one of the 4 or 5 setups I have already. With trees/traffic/careers/weather mods in 2020 that all works I only have so much time to do beta testing in 2024. It is brilliant though, from a potential standpoint. Mentally I’ve prepared myself for possibly 2 years of full development before I make the 100% commitment. You can’t even tinker right now, it’s inevitable that the option to put most sim objects on the HD will be made.

At some point they’re going to have to let go of that arbitrary random ‘game size’ they trapped themselves in for a world with no want for storage space. Some of these core promises of cloud and size were really things nobody asked for. Cloud instantaneous WU utilization in the streamed world model would be just about anything a 2020 simmer would ask for. Really, just the live time updated world and things like better traffic and weather within the same structure of 2020 would have been enough, along with updated modern graphics engine. This full ‘cloud game’ has been quite the fiasco. Most of the ‘features’ were usurped from 3rd party, with the near copy of NeoFly career or the A2A walkaround clone. They could of just put the ■■■■ things along with the aircraft in a 300-400GB game and we’d only be ‘working on’ the world itself.

All these stupid UI changes like the controller interface nobody asked for nor the bizarre aircraft selection system when everyone just wanted a ‘favorite’ hangar. I wouldn’t be surprised if this all gets redone. You aped NeoFly and made it no less discombobulated than the free NF interface is(which you can’t harp on for being FREE). You made such a BFD out of ‘trees’ but they’re all still comically oversized. Ugh. Could just go in the ‘vegetation’ file and change the sizes ourselves and loaded it on .to. But NOPE.

For 2020, if there’s anything I don’t like, I know right where to go in the file stack to tweak or change something. Now I jump in aircraft and am jarred by how much I had changed them in 2020 to see them in their most basic form again. About had a seizure when I saw what the Beaver originally looked like, thought I started a flight at Pima and pulled the Spraylat off :laughing:.

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When FS2020 was first launched, it had many of the same issues as FS2024. I went back to X-Plane 11, just so I could fly. Eventually, the issues were fixed and I returned to FS2020. Same thing here: I’m going back to FS2020 until FS2024 is fixed.

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Until most of the third-party stuff is working in 2024 then I will stick with 2020.

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saw the announcement but not interested at all in these planes nor the genre of plane. I wish they would focus more on multi engine, jets, military, something unique like the cl415 scooper, vs single engine general aviation little planes as they lack a wow factor