That would be the best possible, and also those METARs should we be able to use in external real world planning tools. But that thing i think we can forget.
I think the best we can do is to try give advice how to fix those METAR-reports to look good in the sim. I feel i lost motivation after su7. I felt the weather system they had was amazing and had potential to be even better. Now i can’t see that potential at all anymore.
We need to keep faith that they are seeing our comments and that our points of view will be taken in account. That sim has such high potential and could satisfy both people that want a simulation approach and the ones that prefer a gaming approach. With correspondig on/off options we could all be happy.
What do you think the new thin lower layer vs the higher thick layer mean? Is that the only “improvement” in su10 for weather? I will be dissapointed if it is.
I thought Meteoblue decided how thick and thin layers should be. Now it seems Asobo decides that instead. Maybe because of that METAR thing?
Speak for yourself.
If I plan a flight and check online what kind of weather is reported through METAR, than I WANT that reflected.
I remember one of my very first flights in MSFS. I was flying into Teneriffe North and the metar, about 20 minutes old, reported low ceiling and fog, so I was pepared for a nice IFR approach.
And nothing of that was to be found in the sim, because the METEOBLUE forecast model had not predicted any clouds or fog for the next 6 hours.
But you knew there was Meteoblue weather in the sim? If you checked that to begin with you would have known there wasn’t any clouds there and could have planed for that instead? As you said you checked it after the flight. What is the point with that? The weather should have been accurate to Meteoblue weather because thats what we had. They told us it had before release 2020. Thats what got me hyped for this sim. At release i could see things that didn’t match Meteoblue forecasts as 225@3 kts issue and hoped that would get fixed. Instead they added METAR weather 
I also was used to METAR pre this sim but i knew i needed to adapt for this new more realistic weather and checked Meteoblue weather instead and planned my flights with that instead. I don’t think real pilots start a flight without checking forecasts. In this sim i only used forecasts because that was the weather we should have had. Not combination of old and future weather.
You don’t plan a flight by looking at 6 hour prediction only. You absolutely need the current METAR as well.
And the predictive model not being able to see fog that has just formed at a place is simply unacceptable.
Yes i did. I flipped my thinking and told my self METAR is the forecast and Meteoblue is the METAR in this sim. The Meteoblue weather is what we see in the sim. In real world The METAR is what have seen and Forecast is the forecast. Would have liked a METAR-report in the sim that told the forecasted weather though.
And when has weather stayed static as a METAR Report? IRL a METAR is always accurate? Are the pilots dissapointed when they arrive and the airport has no clouds that an earlier METAR said? To bad we can’t land because i planed for IFR.
Depends on how old it is. 
And of course only for cloud coverage below 10.000 feet.
Which is why one would never get the correct high level overcasts in P3D with Actives Sky. The METARS simply don’t report them.
The goal Asobo has set itself together with Meteoblue is to incorporate the METAR reports into the forecast model so that it becomes more accurate.
It’s kind of looking at the live radar maps of precipitation. Those show you basically with 15 minute accuracy were rain is going to fall.
This is also still missing from the forecast model they use so far.
I want my weather in the Flightsim to be more than just an appropriate convincing looking model of what might be real at the moment. They call it “Live Weather” and that implies that it shows me what the weather is at any given moment on the entire globe down to the kilometer and more or less the minute.
I have not that hight expectations. I have seen the implentation of METAR in su7. I thought what you describe we would already have.
To me that means that all of the users see the same kind of weather in the sim. If you want you can make an own METAR for another user. And that user will have an accurate METAR in the sim because you observed the live weather in the sim. Not the real world weather everywhere because that is impossible to get into a computer. I think many had too high expectations of “live weather” and that will be it’s downfall. The more accurate the more static it gets. If we get real weather every minute we will see a hard transition in weather every minute.
That would be “Online Weather”.
You mean as impossible to stream the geography of the entire world into a computer?
But thats a more static thing. They need to add worldupdates to not make it feels static all the time. Weather changes all the time.
True. Well maybe getting into it accurate for the next 15 minutes is a stretch, but for the next hour IS possible.
How do all the weather apps do it? They ARE accurate within the hour. They can be off a day in advance, but the closer to the actual time the forecast gets the more accurate it gets.
So I expect more than the 12 hour forecast model that Meteoblue currently uses for something that calls itself “Live Weather”. And METARS should be able to help with that.
They do not predict how the weather is going to develop, but they can tell you whether the prediction was correct.
They mentioned more frequent updates from Meteoblue before su7 was released. I think that also made us see more frequent hard transitions in weather. As i said, more accurate means more hard transitions to stay accurate.
Well, we can hope that the weather is improved in su 10. I think it’s good to have the perfect balance between static and dynamic. They need to find that now when they also has METAR. To me METAR is a really small area reported why not blend in METAR in Meteoblue? Now it feels like they Blend in Meteoblue in METAR. Feels like they try make Meteoblue fit those less detailed METAR-reports. If i made this thing i would just add the METAR things on top of Meteoblue weather around airports. Will look worse around the airport but nothing needs to be changed. Now it looks worse/ the same everywhere.
I think, either we like it to be more dynamic or we like it to match more METAR. Both opinions are equally valid. I think options would have been the best for all of us but thats not an option it seems.
Indeed. I was under the impression that this is their ultimate goal.
But why then completely change the whole weather system to what we have now? I think all of us could have waited until that system was 100% ready? Feels more like we are using a prototype than in a ready to release state.
That is what I did starting with “For me”. I understand all postions but I don’t know if there is technical solution to integrate smoothly a METAR with a forecast without having hard transitions and bubbles. So far what has been implemented in SU7 breaks the immersion that is why I prefer the original weather system. I am not against having METAR, but they should have perfomed much more testing and implement it when ready.
All that can improve weather is always good but I have some doubts that this will make all clouds types depicted correctly and that it will add missing layers. I really would like to see some screenshots to understand the impact.
I don’t think so, they always include additional things that are not always in the bug list
I would expect to have some points listed in the bug-logged column (see below link) fixed or improve as sometimes a same bug takes a couple of SUs to be fixed/tweaked
Latest Bug Reports/Weather topics - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums
And that is also really strange. They tell us to test the BETAs release notes but not all of the changes are listed,
There isn’t. At least not without having the amount of raw data meteoblue has and creating their own full-fledged weather model, which I think is outside of the scope of MSFS. Meteoblue’s “nowcast” combines live data (METAR etc) with their model data and does it completely seamlessly because it’s built into their atmospheric simulation system that partly relies on historical data. The best solution (which would be pretty awesome) would be Asobo getting the nowcast information since that includes live METAR data as well as other live weather sources, but then that would be more expensive and would result in more of a server hit since it can’t just be cached in the cloud for hours. I suspect that when Asobo kept saying there’s BIG things coming for the weather engine, they were talking about getting nowcast data, but maybe the deal didn’t go through so they just went with a basic METAR blending system for now?