METAR keeps disrupting the weather/ bugged weather/Cumulus/CB clouds only/no medium to high cloud coverage

Yep - the sim is incapable of producing a flat cloud layer in a metar area. However, it does them wonderfully in a non-metar area. Like this yesterday in the middle of nowhere Kazakhstan. beautiful.

As soon as you get to a metar bubble - bang, puffy all-the-same-everywhere cumulus everywhere.

It is really frustrating as clearly the sim is capable of more varied clouds but the metar keeps interfering.

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Asobo did simulate weather at release. This forum thread is proof of that. No hard transitions at all in those videos. The weather was formed during the day dynamically. Accurate? Not all the time but close enought in my opinion. Lightnings occured often i can agree. Some complained about fog in that thread but now we have 0 fog formed like in the videos with fog :frowning: 0 complains in that thread about hard transitions and stuff that i got after 30 minutes of recording November 4th.

And here is my short timelapse i made 4th November at a nearby airport with METAR here in Sweden. The weather looks ok in this video though. And i’m sorry that i forgot to have the weather panel open in the start of the video.

I want my weather back that i bought 2 years ago. It were amazing Asobo :slight_smile: I’m happy with that as an optional feature :slight_smile:

Will make more time-lapse videos and post here. Will try at mountains and see if i can get some clouds forming there. But i’m mostly sure i will not get that thing. Could often see clouds/fog near ground over mountains at release. Now i only get that METAR fog layer that covers a massive amount of area instead and is not dynamically formed.

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Here is the METAR switch. Notice the few clouds reported in Meteoblue page at the beginning of the clip changing to broken clouds then the weather suddenly switches 2 minutes later in the sim. Notice the yellow tone in the clouds after the switch. :frowning:

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So the sim is reacting to what MB is changing to which purports that the METARS are coming or to some extent being affected from MB, that’s positive.

Yes, thats what seb told us. But i don’t want METAR to disturb Meteoblue weather. Creates those hard transitions and circles around airports. I really hope to see the old stream of data that is fluid as an optional weather system. Thats what we had pre su7. And i could use METAR as an option with 3rd party addons. Now we are all forced to use METAR.

Positive? not for me, thats what made the sim weather worse in su7. Thats what we are reporting as an issue here. METAR disturb Meteoblue weather and has tried to do since su7 were released.

I know it’s intended but we that got used to the weather we had before su7 and adapted to that new system dislikes this old FSX type of weather with hard transitions and METAR bubbles.

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But what I was saying is that up until now we were just assuming that METAR and MB were completely separate things. Now that it “appears” the METAR is coming from MB as the source since the changing in the sim correlates to MB’s website, whatever options in the future or what is needed to change things can be done more efficiently since it’s all coming from the same location.

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Agree, but to get optional streams of data i think they need to have two different servers to get weather from. I hope they are able to provide us that :slight_smile:

I’m would actually pay one more time to get the old weather back. Feels wrong though. Because i already payed for Meteoblue only type of weather 2 years ago. And i would only pay if i knew for sure they would improve it only with data from Meteoblue that already fits the global weather.

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Which ever solution or work around they come up with or agree upon, if that’s where this ultimately ends up, at least it’s coming directly from MB to Asobo and vice versa. Should make implementing a lot easier than if it was coming from outside. 3 am here, time to sleep. Good night/day.

Yes, we will see in upcoming sim updates i bet.

Here it’s day right now :slight_smile: Goodnight :zzz:

As I have stated before I believe it is the same source - METEOBLUE (FORECAST) is METAR and vice versa - the METAR I believe comes from METEOBLUE and is interpolated when the METAR data changes. That’s why we see these “hard” transitions - because these are the “basic errors” of the METAR based engines. You can see it quite well on your videos - an “animation” is played which abruptly restarts when the METAR data / values change - and METEOBLUE data then comes in and is apparently interpolated “at the borders” or adapted to the METAR - that’s why you also see these strange and almost always the same looking clouds in the METAR area (borders). And the good “appearance” or the current “good” experience (or not) probably depends on how close METAR stations are to each other and how often they are “interpolated” and how large the diversity between METAR and FORECAST is at the moment. and there we have the salad. (I guess of course)

Yes since su7 Meteoblue integrate METAR into the Meteoblue weather. Before we only had Meteoblue weather besides wind, temp and pressure. And that blending destroys the Meteoblue weather. Meteoblue destroys their own weather simulations LOL. I bet it’s hard to improve that by Asobo. It’s Meteoblue that needs to improve that blending. And i bet it’s even hard for Meteoblue to make unknown METAR fit already calculated Meteoblue forecasts. Thats why i want the old stream back as an option without METAR.

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But unfortunately the weather is in bad shape even away from METAR areas, like today i wax flying in the middle of the irish sea,cand the clouds were wrong at every level, the satellite and the game world map showed an endles overcast from Cornwall to Ireland, and yet in the fame the clouds were mostly broken, convective, some of them were more like artifacts more than clouds. In reality here in belfast it was overcast with stratus clouds. Again the weather is a mess even outside METAR areas.

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Made an interesting observation today and developed a new theory. I loaded into SFO which today has some weather moving through the area. On initial load the sky looked just how it should look. About roughly 5 minutes later as I was pushing back and getting ready to taxi I saw the weather switch and this was right around the time a new METAR dropped. Here’s my theory, which we already have a good idea of, but I’ll share anyways.

Loading into a “clean setup” by default provides MB even though you can still access and see METAR from the respective window. Once a METAR update occurs either at the airport you’re at or around the active area, that’s when you’ll see the shift from the good to the ugly and from then on METAR permanently has an influence and this is where the “blended” part comes into effect and stays that way. To support my theory, the instances when you’re flying and you see weather that is too good to be true, is because you’ve flown into an area that hasn’t been affected by this intrusion or the METAR has “blown away” and you’re just left with MB.

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Then why don’t we see METAR bubbles on their Nowcast weather maps like we do in the sim? Asobo said Meteoblue would inject METAR into their models but that would require recomputing each time a new report is available.

Maybe they only do a simple blend given the time constraints and with the more frequent updates reduced the amount of weather data too. Clouds still look generic and repetitive outside METAR areas. Far from the unique intricate shapes and density of pre su7.

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I bet this is the answere.

Also this

Raw model data

Numerical weather models are defining their space by dividing it into grid cells. These are generally refined to the point by applying different post-processing methods as downscaling, multi-modelling and others. Raw data for large areas can be retrieved in gridded format:

I request to have Raw model data as an option without post-processing applied :wink:

And that data is provided 2 times per day and looked amazing and realistic. Thats what we had pre su7.

I dont’t expect it to be perfect accurate, i only expect it to not be disturbed by other sources of data. I want and expect simulated weather in the flight simulator.

And a question @ZodiaLight , where can i choose nowcast weather maps on their webpage?

I bet it would look bad with circles dotted on their weathermaps. Thats why they not showing those circles every where.

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I was under the impression all their weather maps included observational data. But checking the following that seems not the case

Well if Meteoblue with their super computers can’t blend METAR clouds in a seamless and realistic way then I don’t see this version of live weather ever looking and behaving as good as before.

I think too much focus was put on real world accuracy at the expense of simulating a realistic weather system. Meteoblue can do that and did so well before su7.

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Because of how their map is configured and the priority of their data for which they populate their maps. The weather they show on the maps is their model/data. The METARS are just parroting whatever their source data says which could ultimately come from NOAA or FAA sources, they don’t affect their weather maps. They just sit pretty and provide an option to view data for fliers if they want. We’ve done the opposite. We’ve used METAR to populate our maps (sim) and the MB model/data is just sitting looking pretty but doesn’t go anything.

With the computing necessary to read and display one METAR string and their resources/servers, maybe less than a second per string? I think you’re thinking it’s harder than it is. If your home computer can load an entire “earth” model in under 2 minutes. What do you think a major data based weather prediction company can do with METAR strings. Even if you look at their METAR map, not every single reporting station is listed, it’s generally listed in wide spread areas. So maybe less than 100 to read the globe?

I agree with your last sentence there. Rather than having the dynamic weather and having it be a 50/50 shot matching the real world. We wanted HARDSET data that came from a “real” source. Again
that’s because since FS2004 and the companies who started to create weather for FS only used METAR and have for the last 18 years. That’s all we know. Sadly, everyone is so against changes that they don’t understand and even with all of the information, videos, screenshots, we still cried “muh METARS, I need them!!!”.

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Well, we know that we had raw Meteoblue simulated weather at release. Now we need them to re-implement that raw-model we had 2 years ago as an optional feature. Because we will never experience that again if we not get that back again. I really hope that is possible :slight_smile:

The community asked for too much and got less in return.

Actually i hoped to get it back in 40th anniversary update. Would have been amazing. But we need to wait for at least su 12, if they listening to us that want the weather to behave realistic.

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It seems to me that the weather has been particularly ugly lately. These clouds that lack density are everywhere. Plus those terrible fog bells. Has it gotten worse?

It’s been really catastrophic over Europe in the last few days. Such a horrible and ugly mess. :face_vomiting:

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