Thanks, but I’m still not having any luck with that.
Sorry, but the RW C310 does not require “bags” of power on final approach. One can clearly see with all the 310 videos available that 15MP-18MP is a typical power setting for final approach leg in this type of aircraft…not 20-23 depicted in the sim version. The drag is clearly over-done here.
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Going to disagree with you on this. Our real world pilots tested and approved this. Multiple times.
Also, it should be pointed out that many of the videos on YT are not actually of the C310R.
Please watch this YT video: Real 310 Pilot's Guide to the Milviz 310R - YouTube
And this one: Real C310 pilot flys Milviz C310R - YouTube
And this one: MILVIZ Cessna 310 - Real 310 pilot - step by step tutorial - startup to top-of-climb - YouTube
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wondering the same. skeptical about Milviz’ claim that real world pilots tested and approved it.
Also after finding out about their negligence to detailed flight models, e.g. concerning adverse yaw (realistic adverse yaw missing in Milviz/Blackbird planes completely. Which real world pilot would approve on that?)
It just needs so much power on final full flaps. Real world pilots ARE using something between 15-18 MP. Also look here (many more videos available)
final approach 11’10”
looks like a 17 MP power setting to me.
Wouldn’t work in the sim, where much more power is needed.
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Here is another final approach - by an actual real 310 pilot - with about 17 MP and 23 RPM
goto 10’50” in the video
I have no confidence in the “real 310 pilot” Milviz had imbedded in their development team for the 310R for over a year (as he says)… He is flying final approaches with full RPM in the red and about 23 MP. go to 30’50” in this video.
There is no actually real 310R pilot to be found anywhere else apparently, who posts real world final approach videos. who flies his 310 like this. One wonders…
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Man those thing are really quiet on the inside.
Love the look of this 62 310. Nose gear seems to be at an angle. Nice lines.
the 310R has the nose gear straight under it
not as cool IMHO
Sorry again, but when a 310R is at 20"-21" with only 1 notch of flap you should see somewhere around 130kts (assuming you’re dropping near 1,000fpm), and if you want blue line from there you’ll need to lower the power quite a bit those last few miles (17’ish) , then below 500ft drop full flaps …walk back the throttles crossing the fence.
My sim plane now performs this way, but that was after quite a bit of fixing…I don’t personally put much faith in your “pilots” and this is a great reason why the flight dynamics portion of any sim aircraft should only be developed by an experienced owner/pilot of said aircraft… and never merely “tested” by someone.
Ask 3 pilots and get 3 similar yet sometimes quite different answers regarding technical development.
…the flaps drag behavior is clearly off much more than 10% in this case. This is not however to detract or take anything away from the rest of the development which is sublime!
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What, so you’re saying Milviz is being dishonest?
You guys realise the amount of power required on final approach depends on aircraft weight and environmental conditions right? Comparing one video with another isn’t particularly relevant for manifold pressure settings in a light piston twin.
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irrelevant, a light Milviz 310R with full flaps also needs a lot of MP on final approach, significantly more than any of the real “real world” pilots demonstrate.
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I’m seeing an irreconceilable large difference between real “real world pilots” of the 310R and the data they demonstrate for full flaps final approaches - and this self proclaimed “real 310R pilot’s” software data here, which says he was embedded with the development for 14 months and flew the 310R at some point in the past for an unspecified amount of time…
That’s all. Several logical conclusions can be drawn as possible truths.
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What do you mean “without any solid proof”?
I linked a couple of videos above, and I could put up more.
You bring out the “dishonesty” card, not me. I only point out inconsistencies.
Please stay on the subject, thank you.
I also didn’t say “lol”. Calm down and don’t put words in my mouth.
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let’s keep the thread on the C310R and not on each other. Thank you
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Videos can help us diagnose issues. Yours lack info that would help. Like how heavy the planes are and whatnot. In spite of your claims such info is, “Irrelevant.”
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I have more than 1,700 real world hours logged. The flap drag is too pronounced at all weights in still air and IMO should be easily recognized by anyone with a reasonable amount of RW experience either via training or ownership. So much for “pilot tested”. Whatever typed pilot tested this was not in any sort of 310.
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Ah yes, as typical, the attacks start flying in from all directions.
I still wonder what 310 you guys are flying in the game because there’s no way in the world I need full power to maintain speed on the final approach. Not even close. Don’t believe me? Load the up plane with 24 gallons in the tip tanks, fly an approach directly into the wind, and come back and tell us how much power you needed to apply on the final approach. It’s not even close to full power.
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That’s because the real-world checklist says to use full RPM on the final approach.
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It is definitely too much drag.
And stop the “real world pilots tested” thing, the Turn Coordinator in the PC-6 was reversed, does that tested by RW pilots? Let alone the adverse yaw missing.
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To be fair, in a lot of these RW videos the pilot is approaching the aerodrome at a much higher speed and let IAS drop a bit during final, which requires less power. zkdos on yt on the other hand approaches at ca. 106 knots very early on and keeps that speed until landing, which requires around 21" MP.
I don’t think Milviz cheaped out on this one and at least one of the testers would have noticed that it requires too much power if it were so.
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