New Release Red Wings Super Constellation

They originally planned (if I remember correctly):

  • dev out of marketplace
  • when finish, available on marketplace on PC
  • port it on Xbox

They didn’t planned to do it on marketplace PC/Xbox simultaneously

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I observed that engines idle on the ground around 1200 RPM, which seems about 500-600 PRM too high for those big radials. That’s what I was referring to.

What I mentioned ain’t so much bugs as unfinished features. I listed them here as caveat emptor because:

  1. The blurb in the Marketplace does NOT say this plane is still WIP, and;
  2. Somewhere upstream here, a dev gave the impression that the Marketplace release would be feature-complete, which is why I bought it the day it was released there.

I have 2 Logitech quadrants. These have a detent about 10% up from the bottom of lever travel that’s supposed to be used as a reverse thrust gate. However, there are 2 things that prevent this working with the Connie:

  1. The throttle axis of the plane doesn’t correspond to the movement of my throttle levers. The changeover from idle to reverse happens at the center of the lever’s travel, WAY above the reverse detent, and;

  2. The plane does NOT have any built-in reverse gate or lock (which it should), nor do the red reverse handles move independently of the in-plane throttle levers (which they should). Instead, as you pull the throttles back from the firewall, the red handles start rising as you pass about 50% of travel (which is when reverse kicks in) until they’re fully up on top of the throttles when the levers are fully back.

So basically, I have no physical feel of where reverse is because it doesn’t correspond to my detent, and the plane has nothing to separate forward from reverse, which IMHO is a huge oversight.

I appreciate you doing this. Nobody else has since about v1.8.


Another irksome thing is that the clipboard loads fuel into all tanks 7 tanks to the same fraction of tank capacity, even if the total fuel load is too little to need all the tanks. Anything from about 55% fuel and less uses the 1st column of the flowchart, which means only tanks 1-5, not 2A or 3A. However, selecting 50% fuel on the clipboard fills all 7 tanks 1/2 full. Thus, you must fiddle with the clipboard to move the fuel out of 2A and 3A and put it either in 2, 3, or 5, to match the flowchart. And this is tricky because of its impact on the CG.

Have you tried to map the throttle movement to 0-100 (positive range) and set the button under the detent as “decrease throttle” to move it into the negative?

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Exactly what @UnsealedKarma36 is talking about. I have the same quadrant and here is a video of it working just fine with it.

Revers Thrusters Connie - YouTube

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Well, considering it been a year since release, it likely won’t be coming to Xbox at all. :laughing:

No, I haven’t made any Connie-specific changes because what I’ve been using works with every other plane in the game (except 1 version of the Twotter which has the same problem as the Connie). But I’ll give that a try. Thanks.

I just did a flight from Chicago to Cincinnati at 20,000ft. Following the settings in the manual for RPM/BMEP/Fuel Flow it was spot on for speed and performance. Same again I did it all with VOR and ILS. Very windy coming into Cincinnati but it landed great. I also didn’t use brakes this time and used reverse thrusters. All worked as it is described in the manual. Really enjoying this.

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My quadrant is in the default settings, never touched/changed them and reverse thrust works perfect in all aircraft. Only thing I change are the T buttons for my saved views.

OK, I have now messed around with this and still have the same problem. It is definitely a problem with how the axis is mapped in the plane. It has nothing to do with my controller configs.

I bought this from the Marketplace. I get the feeling you and the others offering advice got this from the devs directly back in its “beta” days. If you don’t have the same problem, then we must have different versions. This is entirely possible because I have a number of planes I got pre-Marketplace and they get updates when the Marketplace version does not.

Anyway, in MSFS, I looked at ALL my controller profiles (with 2 quads I have 6 total levers so I have separate profiles for planes with 1-4 engines). Every single one of them already had the throttle axes set for 0-100. I already knew this was the case because otherwise, the throttle in every other plane would be acting as stupid as the Connie’s. But I had to check. And this proves that it’s a problem with the Connie itself, because in the Connie, 0-100 actually gives you -100 to +100. with reverse starting at 50% of lever movement between firewall and detent.

But, just to be double sure, I did an experiment. See, the way I’ve done controllers since Christ was a corporal is to leave the axes to the in-game system and use the software provided with the controllers to attach key bindings to buttons and hats while doing nothing with the axes. So, now I changed that with an attempt at a Connie-specific profile. I removed the throttle axes from the in-game profile and set them up as 0-100 in the external profile using the controller software. I also added a new key binding for “decrease throttle”, which I never had occasion to use before, and assigned it to the “button” below the detent, which has heretofore been unused.

And the result was the same as before. For me, whether the throttle axes are set 0-100 in MSFS or in the controllers themselves, the result is still that in the plane, the throttles go from -100 to +100 with reverse starting at 1/2 of controller travel.

Got a video? I’d love to see how you got above 13K. For me, the high blower setting doesn’t work at all. MP drops to about 17" firewalled at 13K and I’m barely above stall speed.

I’ll make one for you one just the transition for 10k up to 20k. You have to look at your MEP, RPM, and Fuel Flow to get it right. Over 10K the superchargers should automatically kick in, but I still knock them up to max. I am about to do a flight from Denver to Salt Lake so I will record that for you. I am still learning this complex Queen of the Skies, but each flight gets better

Dont use the controller software, that is most likely your problem. It is plug and play. The simulator knows what you have and configures it for you. This is why I leave it at default.

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did a test yesterday,20k is no problem,but if the plane is heavy you need to do in steps.
i use a old ms sidewinder stick,no problems for reverse trust.
best help you get at

also,if you do not like it,maybee get a refund?

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Um, nope. First off, the controller software just turns the buttons and hats into keyboard emulators. No harm there. Second, no matter how I set up the throttle axes, the plane responds -100 to +100, so it’s an airplane problem, not my end. And as I said, the Marketplace and direct versions can be, and obviously are in this case, differnt.

Could not resist the Red Wings Super Constellation purchase the other day when it appeared in the MSFS 2020 marketplace.

I was born in 1951 in Western PA. Never forget the first time I stood on the outside observation deck of the Greater Pittsburgh airport (KPIT) and watched a TWA Superconstellation taxi up to the gate.

What a thrill!:+1::sunglasses:

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Awesome! I’m jealous of you seeing one in service. I’m a little too young at 41 to have seen one fly. My dad has always talked about her though. I did get to see one at the Air and Space Museum at the Dulles location.

I also just read about Hughes picking up Orville Write after his record from Burbank to DC. They flew him from Ohio to Kitty Hawk. He commented that the wingspan was longer than his first flight.

Enjoy!!

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FINALLY, somebody who’s a bit older even than me :wink: I’m from the early 60s myself and got to experience the last couple years of propliners when I was like 3-6. I flew between KLAX and either KHOU or KMSY several times in DC-6s and -7s, with the KHOU variant adding a hop in a Convair 240 to/from KBRT. But alas, I never got to ride a Connie. I really wanted to (I was born loving aviation) but they didn’t go to the grandparents’ neighborhood, which was the purpose of such trips. My mom, an ex-Delta stewardess, tried to temper my disappointment by disparaging Connies. She called them “roach coaches” :smiley:

Nowadays, it’s cool to say I was around back in propliner days, even if it means acknowledging my age. But as a passenger, I was glad to see the jet age come in. My trips in propliners were miserable experiences. They took all day and then some because the planes were slow and had to stop (for several hours) in like El Paso for fuel, oil, and maintenance. And the planes were loud inside, they vibrated annoyingly, the ventilation wasn’t great, they reeked of stale cigarette smoke, and broke down all the time, causing even more delays. I suppose all the adults around me thought propliners were a big improvement over trains but it was ordeal even for a kid who loved airplanes. I actually dreaded such trips.

But then one year all was different. DC-8 non-stop to KHOU in less than 1/2 the time, then a DC-9 to KBTR again way faster than the Convair. And the jets were quiet, had a smooth ride, the climate control worked, and the smokers were all in the back so there wasn’t much smoke and at least it was fresh :slight_smile: Plus, jets were new and cool, so the young me was all excited about them and regarded propliners as passé.

These days, I enjoy the experience of flying virtual versions of these old planes from the comfort of my home. These planes were such engineering marvels of pushing dead-end tech to its absolute limit, and so reliant on skillful human input at every step of maintenance and flying. Plus, they looked and sounded awesome. But I’m definitely not nostalgic for riding in them in real life :slight_smile:

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Here ya go. I had the BMEP too high to do the full settings so my speed and climb rate up to 20k was much faster than the chart says but you will be able to see the steps.

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Much appreciated. The manual says that before turning on nigh blower, you need to reduce MP and RPM by a lot, which I notice you didn’t do. For me, the MP was already way below the necessary setting and dropping the RPM to IIRC 1600 on top of this practically stalled the plane. So I need to play with this some more, it seems.

In other news, a kind soul over on the RedWing Discord observed that the Connie is bassackwards on the throttle axis. IOW, using the 0-100 option results in the plane having -100 to +100 and vice versa. So I’ll try that next time I have a chance to fly and hopefully all will be better there. And then having proper throttle control might in turn make the transition to high blower work better :wink: