Piaggio P.180 Avanti II by FlightFX

What a MIC Drop!

No, not at all, for the price you are going to have a blast.

Did you really pay for nothing??

Even if the 2020 version had problems migrating to 2024, the native 2024 version will be released as soon as the marketplace is up and running.

I also said “At the moment
” so please take my full sentence into context.

So, yes, at the moment I have paid for nothing, because I haven’t flown it yet. I’m not complaining by the way. I had a feeling it would be this way. Excited to try it! Luis’ review has me piqued :wink:

I’m a patient fella hehe

I like the term ‘high-fidelity’ better than ‘study-level’. But yes, you nailed the colloquial meaning of ‘study-level’.

I will say, my buddy used the PMDG 737 while he was studying for his type rating(that’s where the term comes from) and still thinks it’s great after flying them full time for a over year so that definitely qualifies, even if the breakers are non functional and the cabin leaves something to be desired. I think a fair definition would be that the flight deck, the systems you actually regularly use while flying it, and the flight model physics are what make something study level. Fun little things like working doors and windows, a pretty cabin, etc are always appreciated but have nothing to do with whether or not it’s “study level”. That means it’s got the meat of the important flows close enough it’s a useful tool to study for the real thing.

Did you delete 2020 already? I’m still running both mostly for the PMDGs, but I couldn’t resist picking up the Piaggio after the rave first impressions even though I wasn’t that interested in it to start with. I love learning new systems and Collins Pro Line is new to me. Haven’t tried it in 24 but excellent in 2020.

You’ve got much more patience than me haha, anytime I buy a plane I at least need to run a cold-and-dark startup and a hot lap in the pattern at a bare minimum immediately after I have it

You have to enter it into the fms by pushing the tun button on the lefr. I believe its the third button down on the left under the screen. Enter the frequency and hit ils button and it will stay on that frequency.

I have not deleted 2020 yet, but I tend to only fly in group flights and with friends these days, and we are all on 2024. I only keep 2020 installed for eSTOL (which has finished for the 2024 season now, but we might be using it for the next season too as livery matching is still too flaky in 2024, so I will be keeping it around for the foreseeable future or maybe have to reinstall it if I decide to do the long-overdue Windows Reformat + Reinstall soon.

So yeah it is my choice to NOT fly it, but that is what it is :slight_smile:

It seems FlightFX have some good stuff for biz fans in the pipeline (adding to the three they offer already): C750, E-145 and Challenger 300. They must have quite a large team as they can pump them out in pretty quick succession.

Another great aircraft from FlightFX. Another good reason to stick with MSFS2020 for now, I think. As others have said a great ‘plane to fly manually and with enough systems detail to make it a very immersive aeroplane to have in the collection. An instant favourite for me


For those having firm nosewhee touchdowns
this may or may not be useful..

I noticed that the FMC always seems to give me a Vapp of 125 and Vref of 115 which is quite quick. Found that reducing Vapp and Vref by 10kts gives much better landing results.
I hold Vapp to DH then reduce to Vref, adding up trim to make sure there’s no nose down drift as the aircraft comes across the threshold. Throttling back then allows a nice flare and with the back pressure maintained the nose wheel comes down nice and gently. So speed is part of it - but some of the IRL P180 pilots say that you have to push forward and fly the nose down to the ground - and I haven’t managed to replicate that yet
.

This is the problem more than the firmness of the landings. I can land very soft and still the nose will immediately come down violently to the ground.
Aerodynamically it doesn’t make any sense because the canards are in a high angle of attack there is nothing changing when the mains touch down that would make the nose instantly come down. So that is something the FFX team needs to fix.

And they will. There is a fix planned for release this thursday that will fix this.

If you notice how far back the main wing is, I think they screwed up the lift on the canards. Juist my 2 cents of course.

edit: I guess not
 They just pulled the plug on the fix, as it apparently broke other things.
Seems like hard nose landings is the future.

Haha oof, that reinstall is quite the undertaking, one thing I will say is head and shoulders better about 2024. I had to do a reinstall during the messy first week of 2024 and was like ‘ugh, well I guess I can play it tomorrow
’, half an hour later we were up and running and the reinstall fixed the issue I was having.

RN having both is the move.. If I looked at my stats for which I play more it would be 2020, but that’s mostly long haul 777 flights when I’m working from home, as far as ‘actually paying attention to it’ time balance is definitely towards 2024.

Haha you have more discipline than me for sure, I’m like a kid on Christmas when I get a new plane and just have to unwrap it and play with it for half an hour even if I don’t have time to really dive into it. Well, you should get on it, it’s awesome and I’ll be honest it’s a plane I had zero interest in on paper. Just not something I found exciting, and fills a weird role between two of my favorites(Turbine Duke and Lear 35) but it’s very fun.

If the Canards are at high angle of attack, it’s likely they’re stalled at touchdown and not providing lift? Hence the nose comes down as the wings lose lift as well, not to mention they’re slightly behind the center of lift I imagine?

They’re foreplanes, not canards. They don’t have adjustable control surfaces. :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

Even more likely they’re stalled then if they’re at a high angle of attack.

They don’t do something similar to what they did for the Starship and change their angle of attack depending on flight mode?

We might talk aerodynamics for 20 posts but the definitive answer is that the real plane does not have the observed behaviour in real life. So we know there is something wrong in the flight model and as somebody said they are surely going to fix it.

We have an open ticket in Discord for the landing behavior. Come on down and check it out.

https://discord.com/channels/852695133040017448/1337458614796816454

They’re foreplanes, not canards. They don’t have adjustable control surfaces.

This close-up at 6:33 would like a word with you

They can only be adjusted on the ground. Not manipulated in flight. Think of a trim tab. Per some of our O/O feedback, hardly ever touched from factory delivery.