I see good reviews for just released 737-800 on MSFS2024. I assume it is better than the 777-300ER and this seems to have bettered it. Any views on what areas it has evolved and how much will be great to know.
I don’t like either one. They are both very well done, but the trim is annoying. I find myself constantly on the pitch trim in manual or auto-throttle. I don’t mind if the aircraft likes to gently seek upward, but if it’s going up and down, it’s a fail for me. If you like to fly like a “real pilot” in these with the autopilot, you should be fine. I prefer to hand fly with auto-throttle, so this issue just leaps out at me.
I suggest trying the 737 for 2024. EVERY single previewer (many real pilots) mentions how easy and realistic it is fly manually. A lot of work has gone into that.
Mathijs Kok
PMDG
and we as have. this from before have pay full price Exellent!
Hi Mathijs, How do I know where I bought my 737 8 from in 2020?
I have it but can’t recall now if it was the MP or pmdg. I have looked and can’t see a list of aircraft bought on the website in my account. There doesn’t seem to be a previous orders link. If I bought it from MP, if and when it is released to 2024 MP, will it show me the discount then?
Yes, I have them both in 2024, and I purchased the 737-800 yesterday. Perhaps they like to “settle down” up at FL330. I usually fly a 45min route into KSEA, so I don’t get up above FL200.
If you bought it with us, you should see it in your account at:
Mathijs Kok
PMDG
There is nothing in the flight model that could lead to that. I just watched a few streams where the aircraft was flown fully manual and it all matches what expect it to be. Very moderate trim needed and that’s how it should be. As I said praise for the flightmodel is pretty universal.
I have seen some DLC that claim to make the flightmodel better that create havoc with how aircraft developers work. Perhaps something like that is in play.
Mathijs Kok
PMDG
Perhaps not in your flight models, but in other modules there is a decrease in power that is modeled as altitude increases. I’ve reinstalled them, so I’ll see if I can find the sweet spot.
This completely contradicts my experience, and also many real life pilot’s experiences. What you describe is Asobo’s 737 behavior, especially since SU4 where the plane’s flight characteristics are glitched. With the PMDG 737, it flies stable, also when hand flying it.
Say, in the 777 model, have you activated the cheat where the elevator trim set speed is displayed on the airspeed tape? The reason I ask is that I have found that very little trimming is needed to hand fly on AT, but rather than trimming off control pressure as I had been taught as a private pilot, trimming to align the set speed (not the correct term) to the desired airspeed (or the one I set on the MCP) works great for me.
Most recently, when transitioning from AP to hand flight, for example on an ILS approach, I don’t apply any control pressure at all off AP to see what happens, which often is very little. Then I ease into hand flying so as to not upset the airplane and see where it goes. Then adjust attitude and trim, very little, to the airspeed I need. Perhaps give it a try if it is different from the technique that many of us have learned flying GA? Good flying!
Yes, this is what I meant by “settling down.” The altitude and airspeed come together into level flight. The HUD on the Asobo Boeings is great for fine tuning this, as you can see the thrust trying to push the aircraft up or down contrary to where your trim and airspeed are sitting. I’ll give it another go.
Well, of course, there is a reduction in power as air gets less dense; there is just less to suck up and push out. That’s just how jet engines work. It is offset by the colder temperature and reduced drag. Always keep in mind that Jet engines are thrust-producing devices, not power-producing in the propeller sense.
You never need to re-install our products, btw, just use the Verification option in Operating Center 3.
Mathijs Kok
PMDG
Couple things to point out, that may not be immediately obvious.
While both aircraft are Boeings, they are from literally generations apart. The 737NG is still at its heart a 1960s Boeing, and it’s trimmed and flown the same way. By contrast, the 777 is a 90’s era Boeing, fully FBW but not in the same way as, say, an Airbus or a figher jet. If you switch between 737s and 777s a lot, enabling the 777 “FBW Trim Speed” display is very helpful, especially if you don’t have a FFB controller. This is a sim-ism that PMDG helpfully provides since most of us won’t be able to feel yoke pressure and trim it out.
And unlike the 737, where you’re specifically trimming to remove yoke pressure, in the 777 you are trimming to set the speed the aircraft wants to maintain. Or in other words, you’re trimming to maintain pitch in the narrow band that aircraft wants to be to achieve and maintain the targeted FMC speed. That’s why enabling the FBW Trim Speed display on the FMC is so handy - you can see exactly what speed the aircraft is trying to achieve and the current speed the aircraft is trimmed for. Match them up and keep them there, and the plane is insanely easy to fly.
That said, the 737 is also great to fly, especially so with the 2024 flight model/physics tweaks. I’ve made 6 flights so far and hand-flown every departure up through at least transition level. On two of them I’ve hand flown all the way to cruise. Just follow the FD and trim to remove yoke pressure. Easy peasey.
I’ve had the 777 since release and there’s still a bug on the wings (marketplace version) I don’t want to spend $70 on the 737 just to run into another bug that won’t be fixed.
That issue is caused by the marketplace injestion, exactly the same files (100%) sold via our shop do not cause this issue, so we are dependant on assistance from Microsoft. I will ask the status of that.
So true. A pilot timewarped from 1975 could fly a 737MAX without any problems. He might not understand the nav system (hello GPS), but the aircraft and systems are the same. Now we know that aircraft have a remarcably long operational life (the B-52 is now scheduled to be in service for 100 year!!!), but new build aircraft that are so close to the same build 50 years ago are rare.
We love the 737 because of that. You learn to fly on a 737.
Mathijs Kok
PMDG
The 737 is truly the last of the “Pilots” airliners, IMHO. Most modern airliners are flown by the computer, either through autopilot, FBW, and other systems designed to both make the aircraft safer while reducing pilot workload. The 737, being an “older” aircraft still has the feel of its 1960’s roots as stated above…. (I’m not certain about the -MAX version) but when you fly the 737, you feel like you are actually flying aircraft, no just putting inputs in and having the onboard computer do the flying.
You are raising this much fuss, including being extremely disrespectful to a developer, because of a texture? Do you honestly -and I sincerely ask- feel this kind of diatribe is justified?
Quick reminder of the golden rule: the customer is always right. If the customer is ever wrong, reread the aforementioned rule.