I played a game of guessing what RSR would share before actually reading the update. Unfortunately, since I use 2024 and own one of their 737s, I was mostly right. Oh well, good things come to those who wait
To bad the focus is on new planes for 2024 first as i understand.
Why not first update excisting planes first ( 777-300 and 737 ) .
Now i am forced to keep flying in an old sim with my purchased planes and new planes that I will never buy are the focus.
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They are different planes for the developers and probably in the way they’re assigned tasks. My guess, if it wasn’t for the big mess FS2024 (incl. SDK) is and was we’d probably already had the 777W in FS2024. I don’t mind, hopefully by doing the 777-200 first they learn from the process and we’ll see that reflected in the 77W.
Now, I go and search for short-haul 772 flights to justify the cost.
But still the same …. If they can release a -200 … they should also be able to release the -300
So why first a new -200 … and let the -300 update wait
I know why …. Extra sales 
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The 772 was to be released after the FS2020 77W. So it’s only logical to proceed on the FS2024 77W after the 772.
Well that is your logic ….
Mine is : first give already paying customers an update for 2024
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You misunderstood RSR for 777F and 777W, is planned release for MSFS 2024 at same time then 777 200ER, because all variant use same comon code. Is is not same time is a meaning of days. Anyway all PMDG product need SU1 for MSFS 2024
The reason 777 series is before 737, have less work to made in 777. Dont’ forget the 737ng get a major overhaul for 2024 
The 2024 SDK is good, is only some section in documentation is lacking (like Career mode )
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Speaking as a software engineer, context switching when you’re deep in a project is hard. There’s tons of branches open across the team, tons of work in progress with all the wires pulled out of the walls so to speak, and the lay of the software fresh in your mind. If you just jump to another project for more than a small amount of time with just small amount of people for a critical bugfix or something and leave your mess behind without buttoning and cleaning everything up when you’re done, it takes forever to remember what was going on. Chances are the 200 is so close to the finish line it just made way more sense to get the 200 out. Putting the 200 on ice, upgrading the 300, and going back to the 200 would probably take twice as long total as just finishing the 200, and then upgrading the 300. It’s already in beta.
Personally, I feel little impatience for the '24 777 and 37s. I’m perfectly happy still flying airliners on 2020. You barely see the scenery anyway, it’s usually too far away for the upgrades in 24 to even be visible. It’s solid and reliable, no weird bugs to deal with like in 24 so sticking to 2020 for airliners for now.
I’m way more excited native 2024 Dukes, and Comanche in 1000 years if A2A comes back out of hiding.
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Same. Plus it gives more time for the '24 to work out its issues.
Exactly. I get why people are frustrated with ‘24, but most people on the forums aren’t first time simmers. Storage is cheap these days and 24 is small on disk, just have both.
I have really been enjoying ‘24 for GA, but I’m really not bothered by 3rd party planes that haven’t made it in a good state yet, don’t mind firing up 2020 and trust it more for long flights anyway.
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“Just have both”
No, 2024 runs miles better, looks miles better and everything we had before should be working. We have paid between $70-$200 for the new sim, we should not be expected to feed both sims, and especially buy add-ons for 2020 that do not work in 2024 when they are a new release 3 months after 2024 is out. Developers should of had the SDK months in advance, the Sim was released in an awful state so waiting till now would not of made a difference, SU1 Beta has made huge improvements, so perhaps next time they ought to test more and involve 3rd party developers from the outset.
Once you use MSFS 2024 and it works there is no going back to 2020. Almost everything in 2024 is better especially performance.
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did you try 2024 in VR ?
Yes, it works great same as or better in places than 2020. I dont really fly in VR that often. But on my Quest 3, Wired connection, latest updates to the HMD and Meta app everything worked great. I love VR but I mostly fly airliners and I prefer pancake for them.
The infamous SIM Update 1 has appeared and some 2 GB download. I did a couple of flights in the 777 which mostly worked well. A longer flight SEA SFO revealed that my TOD pause did not work which eventually led to some other issues causing a discontinuation of the flight. On the short flight, hand flying the approach revealed a minor roll stability issue where the aircraft lacked any wings level stability. A roll correction required an equally active anti movement to stop the corrective roll. This can cause a PIO situation.
The funny thing is being the guy whose fine with both gets equal amounts of word they’d block out here from two camps, one telling me how much better 2024 is, and the other telling me it’s still unplayable.
And no, it isn’t reasonable to expect that. They didn’t even make C++ based planes debuggable till like a week ago.
How long did it take for high quality 3rd party planes to even come out in 2020? Huh?
I’d rather wait for fully native 2024 upgrades from PMDG, and all my other favorite devs, than slapdash compatibility mode plus updates to claim it works and then forget about it.
But my point has always been we should never of had to wait this long. Also what counts as native to just working? I dont want to pull chocks and engine covers every flight, I dont really care about not having squishy tyres, I doubt the level of squishy is even simulated or has an effect. Maybe the better LOD but that could come in a later update. Surly it is better to be flying them than to be waiting X months.
I guess many prefer to stick with the old sim.
That was kind of understandable as it was a whole new thing, and they did say everything would work that worked in 2020 and it does not.
Why would they make them slapdash? Flysimware / Simworksstudios have not done this, neither have many other devs, They have made their planes work and by work they actually work and then have started on 2024 Native versions, I think that is a good compromise. I bought the Premium native A300, I couldn’t tell you what is different about it and for the alleged performance gains 2024 is supposed to give on the actual plane, it is still a hog as it is 2020 for me at least.
Well it seems like the wrench in the works for many planes is upgrading complex avionics systems. So for planes with pretty standard systems and whatever combination of steam gauge and working title or PMS/TDS avionics, upgrading went quick. The more complex systems take longer, and if it requires more than a certain amount of rework maybe it’s worth it to just do it all.
Fenix was super fast because it runs all that stuff outside of the sim anyway.
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Almost certainly. You’ll note that Flight1 doesn’t have the iFly Max available for ‘24 yet; TFDi doesn’t have the MD-11 available, either.
Some pretty big things changed in FS2024, despite Jorg’s promises at FS Expo in June ‘23. Textures and emissives, animation stuff, native SDK aircraft systems … etc. Anyone who’s poked their noses into the MSFS DevSupport forum just to read a bit has seen the work being done by hundreds or thousands of developers trying to wrap their heads around the changes, plus the dozens or hundreds of specific bugs found by them and fixed over the last four or so months since most of them even got access to the SDK at all.
The bottom line is, developers aren’t delaying compatibility fixes and patches to make us mad. They’re doing the best the can, as quickly as then can, to give us fully-compatible products with the features and quality we expect.
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This community is so funny. So fast to complain, so slow to appreciate when IMO flight simming is in an amazing place rn.
What other part of the gaming industry, or even any industry, listens to, caters to, and interacts with the community as much as here? The reason things can be buggy or can take forever isn’t because Asobo and the various good devs(oh yeah there’s crapware around like anything else, I don’t buy it) are lazy or mean. It’s because they’re pushing the limits.
I mean compare 2020/2024 to say Forza Horizon 5, another open world vehicle based game. The world is kinda big, and they do a great job of making it feel even bigger, flight sims are literally open world as in the entire thing. The weather is well done, but they just have 5-10 sets of weather rotating and transitioning on whatever intervals. Flight sims are simulating the live weather right now anywhere in the world, and I could go do a 12 hour flight in the 777 from one side of the globe to the other and all the weather will be accurate to right now. The depth of simulation in the vehicles is miles less than even the included 152. And the reason stuff like PMDG airliners cost as much as other entire video games is that just as much work goes into just that one plane.
I got a little off topic but to get back on, maybe I don’t speak for the community as a whole, but it doesn’t bother me one bit to fire up 2020 when I want to fly the 77/37 and personally I’d rather they take their time and do a great job moving them over. In fact, it wouldn’t even bother me if it took an entire year if that meant the 747 got done faster.
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