Prevent the flight planner from reshuffling the plan after adding or changing a runway, approach, SID or STAR

[AZRedneck33]

Can we please for the love of all things get rid of the flightplan reshuffle when adding or changing these?

The whole flightplan gets completely redone when changing something as simple as the runway. Makes importing 3rd party plans a nightmare especially with the ATC not giving your approach until 5 miles out and the Nav system wanting to fly you back to the waypoint before the transition.

So please fix or change the flight planning so we can change things without reshuffling. If something isn’t correct or is invalid just warn us and let US fix it or have an auto button or something.

I really love the sim with all it’s flaws but this one thing would be such a big quality of life improvement.

If you agree upvote please. Feel free to post your issues with flight planning as well. Let’s get some eyes on this.

[AZRedneck33]

Only 13 people think the flightplanner is horrible? Also discovered that if you save a flight as a pln file when you load it again it will not load the approach you saved since the last patch.

[p1nba11er]

Upvoted.

It’s definitely not that 13 people think the flight planning is a mess, it’s most likely a simple signal to noise ratio. There’s literally so many things that are broken in this sim, it’s impossible to even know what to click on right now.

[AZRedneck33]

This is true.

[PokyScissors202]

Upvoted. Much needed post. Please fix that, it is very important for an successful flight and also unrealistic you can’t change any approaches if the wind changes. …

Now we have real weather without real procedures.

[AZRedneck33]

Agreed.

Flightplanning is essential and the sims routing is a bit weird as well.

[AZRedneck33]

Selfless bump.

[Eddiepty]

voted here as well… this is insanely frustrating! I have also started using VATSIM, which I think adds not only realism… but a truly online multi player experience…

that being said… for now I have to file a rigid flight plan with a specific star that if its changed midflight, the flight path turns into some weird graffiti, the plane starts turning away , etc… if weather conditions at the destination airport have changed, and the controller assigns a new arrival… then I have no choice but to fly it semi manual as in do direct to waypoints (if they appear at all as options) + manual altitude management… (I thought this was flight sim… not flight failure sim!!

also… leaving out the Hold on fix was also a mistake (or they cant get it to work properly, so its not even available)

[ANCRM114]

Upvoted. But I’d really like to import plans directly to the GPS/FMS.

[AZRedneck33]

Me too.

Baby steps. Haha

[agentiki]

voted, this one KILLS me… specially as a real world pilot i just fly small little putters… I fly the sim cause I get to fly the big stuff and the whole gate thing is neato… I make elaborate flight plans import them and when I choose my gate the freaking thing makes it’s own fllight plan… how dissrespectful!! lol

[AZRedneck33]

I agree although if you just choose a gate and change nothing else it should not reshuffle on you.

[AZRedneck33]

Bump for visibility as the flightplanner is still a hot mess.

[LegoHawk]

Upvoted. The transition waypoints on the STARs sometimes force you to fly a route than go back to the transition waypoint and flight it again - madness!

[CaptainT6614]

Upvoated. This is the single most problem that affects usability of the Sim on VATSIM. After 1000+ hours piloting, I cannot afford to bear the embarrassment when ATC says "sir it appears you are veering off the STAR… ".

[FLK59]

Have made the flight plan with Simbrief , current Navigraph data and manually entered into the MCDU

[LegoHawk]

Same here. Madness. How this even passed rudimentary testing is beyond me.

[BScout9956]

+1, I hate how changing from a runway departure to a gate departure ruins the entire flight plan, so importing flights with SimBrief is pointless.

[XxTheOneX83]

Not 100% the topic, but it´s also about the flight plan system!

Random "user waypoints" set by the System (Flight plan logic failure) // Different planes

During some of my last flights, with different types of aircrafts around Europe, I noticed a “USR - User waypoint” was created in the FMC flight plan, when selecting SID/STAR. Many of these “USR” points are not within the actual flight path, so that the plane needs to make a turn direct this by the system created point, before it will continue onto as in the official SID/STAR published track. In know that this is something many of us all had experienced here in the new MSFS 2020 world, while d…

[DornusFly]

+1 from my side too. Shuffle a well planned flightplan is driving me crazy. I think this essential thing must be fixed asap as best with the next update. I use Pilot2ATC for my flights and it’s hard to synchronize routes.