I’m starting this thread out of a deep concern re the pending release of SU16. Currently msfs 2020 works extremely well, at least I am very happy with it.
My concern is that SU16 will leave 2020 in a worse state than now.
The question I pose is, should they abandon SU16 and just leave 2020 alone.
Focus all their efforts on 2024.
My current frame of mind is yes, leave 2020 alone.
I realise opinions differ, and here perhaps is a place to air them.
Ps : this is not the same as the other thread re SU16.
This is should we abandon it, kind of yes or no.
Edit : Please note, my concern is with the sim as a whole, not one particular aspect of it.
It is a thread opened for opinion.
Absolutely yes. Really happy to see someone else feels the same as I do.
Is 2020, perfect, no. There are still bugs and issues, I am not one of the people who suddenly said 2020 is the best thing since sliced bread as soon as the 2024 debacle became apparent. However as you said at least it works. I can be pretty confident that I can start cold and dark and finish a long flight without a CTD in a complex airliner.
I have tried multiple versions of SU16. All it bought was worse visuals, performance and regressions from 2024.
As I have noted on another thread, Microsoft and Asobo, please, just hotfix the sim not shutting down bug and leave it alone. Maybe if possible open it up even further for community modification, but otherwise just let us have at least one working simulator.
This new updated ground satellite imagery is not adapted to msfs2020 lighting. It looks like they just ported it without adaptation. Everything looks too vivid, colorful or fantasist. They should rework the lighting like in msfs2024 to make it plausible.
If your objection is strictly on the Scenery, maybe you want to change your subject line?
It would be inequitable to render MSFS 2020 as EOL at this time - as a whole - just based on a disfavor of a specific change.
Eventually - the market and user base movement will point to a period whereby the sim’s likely end of life is nigh. But the conversion at this point - and mind you we only have access to gross aggregate information - points to a straddling stage. There is a migration trend to MSFS 2024, absolutely. But there are still more players either in 2020 or straddling both sims.
One of the intentions is to make the underlying services more common - this gains efficiencies in terms of updates and maintenance. That includes the scenery. Whether one likes it or not, that is the way to get more out of a single set of resources while supporting both code bases and implementations.
Beyond that, denying MSFS 2020 more updates isn’t at all equitable as previously mentioned. There are still improvements and other milestones that can and should be achieved in the older version.
The Steam usage charts alone suggest 2020 is doing fine. There has been a slight drop off in usage, but its still more widely used that 2024 is, and by a significant margin.
You see the migration to the new platform straight away, but here that adoption process has continued, instead of levelling off. I think in the MSFS case its bolstered by users of both platforms. Something else that may explain the XP status is, although I haven’t been following too closely, they tend to release updates that are less problematic than MSFS ones, and they don’t have situations like the 2024 release which put people off within a few days of release.
If they can be properly realised, yes. But if the next sim update is going to be a regression I really don’t see the point in breaking something for the sake of longevity.
I agree with the OP — focus on FS2024 (which is still very broken, despite continuous improvements) and allow FS2020 to fade with dignity.
Respectfully have to disagree. I paid good money for 2020 and there’s plenty of life left in it yet. I’ve been using SU16 without issue…can’t say I’ve seen any more or less badly aligned ground textures (captured on different days or different light conditions etc) than before.
I agree with this. MSFS 2020 should remain as-is without any parts migrated from 2024 being moved over until it has been completely vetted and bug free in 2024, and it makes sense to move it over.
I say this with particular discomfort on the 2024 aerials moving to 2020 in SU16, which has confirmed bugs related to LOD.
2020 should be for those users wanting a stable experience. It’s a fantastic sim as is right now. Many users have invested time and energy to have it run just right, in home simulators.
In addition many have spent hundreds of dollars for scenery addons knowing they look right with the aerial imagery they were designed for.
Because your previous thread was specific to Scenery, and I’ve not seen a specific list of objections here that rationalize a complete halt to future code base maintenance and innovation for the older sim.
Let’s put it this way: “no further updates.” What happens when you have a game-breaking defect?
Then what you are advocating is polling the user base to make sure they are listening to the community as a whole?
The desire to freeze 2020 might not be what the majority of the community actually wants. Or maybe it is. But the only way to know they are actually listening to the community is to get community input that is statistically sound and doesn’t overly emphasize self-selected representatives of this particular viewpoint.
I have installed the current beta version of SU 16 and think the OP’s concerns are justified. The new satellite data doesn’t look good in MSFS 2020 in many regions. Performance also seems to be worse on my system. And something is wrong with the LOD. When I’m in the air, I can now see the landscape slowly building up in front of me. No matter how high I set the LOD slider. Please don’t release it in this state! If these issues are resolved, I will of course be happy to see an update that brings real improvements. But please don’t make MSFS 2020 worse than it currently is.
For me, MSFS 2020 is still the preferred simulator. I don’t like the status of MSFS 2024 yet. In particular, the unrealistic cartoon-like colours in many regions and the poorer appearance of the photogrammetry areas bother me.
I for one hope they stick to their ten-year promise. There are still plenty of things that need to be addressed. The core seems to be fine for now, but things like road data are still woefully behind the times. I can point to an area near KGSO where there are roads in real life, but the sim depicts forest. Those roads have been there for decades now! And what’s worse, if you drone out to where those roads are supposed to be, there are cars driving through that forested area, and even over the trees where bridges are supposed to be!
Instead of trying to fix things that don’t appear to be broken in the first place, why not get the road data to at least come closer to being in the 21st century?
The problem is the community’s distrust of updates, that have a track record of addressing one issue but creating three more. I’ve not experienced SU16, having moved full-time to FS2024 a few weeks back, but when I left FS2020, it was in perhaps the best state it’s ever been in.
Improvements are great… as long as they actually improve. SU16 sounds like a ‘2024 mask’ that doesn’t quite fit. I honestly don’t see the point in trying to turn 2020 into 2024 when the later sim still has so many bugs. Seems to be taking away the very fabric that makes the original sim such a popular choice still.
I don’t think the OP or any of us who support this thread were really saying 100% “no futher updates”. I took this as more as, don’t push stuff into 2020 that is going to make it worse in terms of functionality, look and feel and stability, many of which are obvious in SU16, just because they can.
In the case of game breaking bugs, then I think MS / Asobo are pretty much obliged to fix them, but the less they touch right now the better, yes it is also a question of trust.
If SU16 is cancelled then there are very very few critical issues to address and so they could leave a positive legacy whilst they try to ship ‘2024 shiny stuff’ to those that want to use 2024.
If they push this out, we will likely be left for the rest of the year, if not longer with 2 broken products and does anyone really think they are going to / be able to put any real effort into fixing 2020?
I actually agree with you on that, but there are many more things that I personally can live with in 2020 than 2024. I appreciate that others feel otherwise.
