SimBrief Update? Or do they just want my money?

If you don’t want a full year’s subscription, you could always just pay for one month and then cancel.

That purchased AIRAC would then persist in Simbrief and presumably also in sim, for as long as you wish thereafter.

If I subscribed to Navigraph, am I forced to use the latest and greatest AIRAC, or can I chose a recent expired database, eg the same AIRAC that MSFS has installed currently by default or maybe what my TDS 750 is loaded with? That way I don’t have to mess around with installing a new AIRAC database every few months and instead just let MSFS do that when they see fit. I can understand how this could be a problem on VATSIM, but if we don’t use that.

No, you can switch to older AIRAC cycles in SimBrief if need be.

It has always been this way. Before Navigraph acquired Simbrief, you still had to link to your Navigraph account from within Simbrief to use the current AIRAC.

Remember you don’t need Ultimate if you don’t want charts. There is another tier that gives you NAV data only.

Cheekily I can’t see this link when not logged in, and when I am logged all I see is the Ultimate subscription which I already have. The site also does some shenanigans to keep you on certain pages by stopping the back button from working. I hate it when they do that.

THX. I would pay a price for lifetime like 50-70€. That would be ok. But if i fly 10 years and that is realistic i will have to pay something nearby 1000€ and that is too much me since i bought a lot of others addons, planes etc. too.

That is better than nearly 100€ a year. Where to get it … just in case?

WOW Smart solution. 2€ a month would be a great deal and 6 months would be ok for me too. Does anyone knows of that work out.

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NOTE: My understanding is – anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong-- I am just a user, and nothing to do with the Navigraph company

You can use ANY AIRAC database you have access to, or have already downloaded.

But, the only Airac you can download from navigraph is the current latest version – you cannot download Historic Airacs, so unless you have already previously downloaded a historic Airac, and have it saved, you are stuck with YOUR currently installed Airac, or the latest one from Navigraph.

Generally, in MSFS, you can only fly in the PRESENT, with (near ) Present

  • Airacs
  • Scenery
  • Weather

You can fly Historic Planes, and also download any available specific Historic Scenery mods .. but attempting to fly in a simulated past world is a “Challenge” – even if some of the Official MSFS “Bing Scenery” seems to be years out of date.

ie If you want to fly an Old Cessna, back in the world of the 60’s or 70’s, where there were many more operating Ground Nav aids (LDAs, VORs, ADF stations, Markers), you will find that almost impossible.

Maybe not that much demand for that ? – if there were, there would be plenty of Mods to make MSFS able to simulate the world as it was in the past.

It’s all about the diminishing returns. As someone who has use cases that are pretty obscure - the % of MSFS users wanting to build cockpits with blended and warped multi-projector displays must be tiny, hence why there’s unlikely to ever be much progress on multi-monitor beyond what we have now, or historic weather, or (proper) 3rd party weather injection, etc etc - I know all about that pain.

OTOH, if you want to simulate flying over a desert world in the far future with a fictional (and physically unlikely to fly) insectoid aircraft, Microsoft has you covered. I think that’s one of the things that people who can’t ever get what they want find annoying. But it’s the commercial reality of building a sustainable business selling a flight simulator. Even for Microsoft.

But once again, remember, the ones building these Fictional aircraft are not the Core Sim Developers at Asobo.

They are other contracted parties (like Carenado) who have little or NO, involvement with the development and fixing of issues in the Core Sim, but are providing the extra Content, to appeal to certain masses, and hence generating an additional income stream , to help pay for those Core Sim Developers at Asobo.

Or so one can assume .. or else why would they go in that direction..

Not everyone who Plays MSFS, want to sit behind a FMC, and send hours programming it, and then watching their plane fly that programmed route on Autopilot, while they go off and do something else.

Yes, I totally get that. And doing tie-ins with movie franchises, for example, helps generate buzz and revenue for the product. It absolutely makes commercial sense. But it’s also the case that some people have become very frustrated at what they perceive as Microsoft focusing on the wrong things to the detriment of things that they want where they perceive progress to be too slow, or where Microsoft is apparently not interested. We’ve seen that here on the forums more than once. But as you correctly suggest, it’s not as if, were Microsoft not doing the Dune tie in, this would somehow result in extra time being spent on core sim issues that whichever group has a particular interest in.

Agreed. For me, that’s not a rewarding experience. But I know that some people do enjoy it, and that’s cool. I still find Navigraph to be an invaluable service, and I wouldn’t be without it.

In hindsight, I wish I had not made that previous snarky comment; I actually have no issue with Microsoft doing a Dune tie-in, because the revenue from that presumably supports the ongoing development of the platform, and that’s something I definitely do want to see.

Also, I’ve now gone way off topic. So I will shut up :slight_smile:

So will I … :no_mouth:

Keep in mind, if you just want updated AIRAC in your sim, Asobo already has you covered with their Sim Updates. SU13 for example will give you AIRAC 2308.

However, if you want the flight planning (SimBrief) to use the latest AIRAC, yes, that EUR 2 trick will work too.

One suggestion might be for Navigraph (or someone else) to make past Airacs available as optional downloads.

Just the 1st release for each year, going back a few decades would be sufficient for the “Historical Flyers”

I wonder how far back navigarph could go, using past navigraph archived ? Airac files.

One would not really expect them to generate further back,( Pre MSFS2020 release) files (assuming that was possible) for FREE.

or maybe we have to just accept that that those Historical nav database and their information, are lost for ever.

It will be a “Brave New World” when there are no longer any NDB, runway markers, or even VOR & ILS approaces.

  • Q: How will us “old f@rts” fly then ??
  • A: We won’t, our GPS’s and APs will do all the flying, while we just follow a Magenta line and watch TicTok Videos on our phone.

I was reading this topic.
I am using simbrief with an outdated airac (2304) i am starting to have some problems with flights plans, sometimes not matching the plane data.

Thanks to the community i found out that that there is this small option of just upgrading the navdata only.
It’s an annual subscription of 35 eur for me, no monthly option with this kind of subcription (i am in France).
I don’t use charts.

It looks a reasonnable price for those like me who wants a simbrief up to date for the cheapest price, what do you think ?