The MSFS update process - the digital equivalent of a Rube Goldberg Machine?

I think if anything, that’s an issues of corners being cut to deliver a product faster with the “we’ll go back and fix it later” mentality. Only later never comes.

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As I see it, Asobo is a good developer of console software.
But they have little idea of real PC Hardware.
Here in Germany they call it a “Stümper”

yes thousands of death graphic cards later :joy:

But ok, amazon was a litlle bit faster.


@Crunchmeister71 have just read in their job postings that they were looking for a PC specialist. Ahhh

It is asking too much, because:

  • This is a “10 year journey”, or more accurately - a “10 year alpha test” :crazy_face:
  • The circus tent has been pitched, or more accurately - customers already paid :clown_face:

These are my thoughts on digital equivalencies. :nerd_face:

All that needs to be done is to focus on aviation; from there all will be well, but that is asking too much here too, so the problems and confusion will continue, perhaps for 10 years.

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let’s see who will win the race next.
FS2020 vs. XP12
Alpha vs. Beta

With you 110%. And from a comment made above, Microsoft/Asobo is requesting our advice on what needs to be improved about the process. Amazing!

Agreed.

For example, the approach flyback bug was reported on 20th august, 2020. Several hundreds of bug reports , articles and “phd thesis” have been written about it since then.

Today is 6th august 2021. Since 20th august 2020 I’ve quit my old job, retrained, got two better jobs, then quit one of them for another better one with better pay, all while helping my cousin financially with her medical school studies.

Do you know what Jorg has been doing so far about this bug in the meantime?

Nothing . nada. zilch

20th August, 2020 ILS Approach Waypoint runaround

September 2020 [with 490 votes]: Approach flyback bug - Not fixed as stated in SU5

Yes we need more pretty screenshots to advertise this scenery arcade console entertainment video game masquerading and being falsely advertised as a ‘flight’ simulator. Maybe hiring six more community managers will sort it all out? I don’t know. But one thing I now know for sure, that MSFS 2020 got nothing to do with aviation and flight simulation. I was sold a console video game, and SU5 is the evidence.

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Don’t know if it has been said above. But what if we just took one step, only merge the store with sim update. The optional stuff can stay where it is for now. See where we are afrer that and improve from there when needed. I would opt for updating from the store not from the sim.

That would be a huge improvement, as most of the update issues people have come from that initial in-sim update.

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You are correct

Yep, I understand how it got here, but totally agree with you that there’s no reason users should have to go through all these steps. I get Steam is owned by somebody else, and XBox is a different ecosystem, and we’ve only seen the start of DLC content and where they want to push us to subscriptions and micro-transactions that make it seem to users like they’re not spending that much money.

But, c’mon, as you said a lot of this could be automated. A separate executable could be created so the whole sim doesn’t have to load to perform the update for the sim update portion. And a checkbox to say yes, please install the DLC and update the existing content, and, boom 4 steps combined to one for the user. And I wonder if doing it behind the scenes might make it more efficient since there’s no graphical user interface processes to deal with?

Sure, given how shaky the download process is, it’s nice to get feedback on when it gets stuck on a download file so the savvy user can figure out how to fix it. But the poor user who doesn’t have a clue what’s going on? smh

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You forgot you have to make sure Games services is updated, Xbox identity provider and the X Box app.

Why is this such a messy update process?

Why can’t it just be one program and why all these subsidiary programs?

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110% for what OP posted.

For me, Ideally:

Open sim to main page> notified of update> click on update message> sim is updated>restart sim and/or system if necessary. KISS.

Okay. So what do we do now to bring this to the devs. Shall we make a voteable topic?

Give this a few days to get more opinions. Once we put in a wish list item, it’s 1 request per topic so we’re basically going to have to distill this all down.

We need to get this fixed. In the discussion about the hotfix #2 people are again struggling with this process.

Does anyone here know why sometimes people don’t seem to get their update? Sometimes it only seem to appear after a few restarts of their PC. Are these not rolled out across the world at the same time? Could it have to do with proxy’s that are ipdating slowly?

Just curious as I never experience issues in this process.

I just went through that other thread ‘485 new posts in 6 hours woohoo?’ and alot of the people that are saying they arent getting the download already it had it. Go figure, when I was doing tech support we had one basic thing we relied on, most users are ■■■■■■, if its more difficult then a refrigerator they’re gonna fuss ;p

Now that number may have fallen over the years but after reading these forums for quite some time, I dont know… My favorite is your using to much of my vid card its running to hot (even when it running at a temp the card mfg says it should run at) and then they turn around and start crying that the sim isnt using enough of their ram. LOL

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I’m downloading the game and I’ve just counted the 3rd time the installation manager has closed itself, is there a solution to this?

When I launch the game I get a message to go to the Microsoft store to get an update. When I check it says " You are good to go" and there are no updates. ■■■!

Goto the MS store, click on the FS page and then click PLAY from there is should update for you.

Do you really think I haven’t done that. That is the point. It will not let me get past the message to go to the store for an update . The store says I am UP TO DATE. If I click on play the game tells me to go to the store to get the update. Total Nonsense. They need to update the update.