Their yoke is $699 for the base + $150 for the yoke wheel. There will be other choices of which yoke to put on the base. Right now there is just one choice.
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When ordering from the EU: Unclear if you will need to additionally pay VAT + customs. Seems like Moza ships internationally (from China?) so there is a risk of VAT.
Some reviewers say H/W trim doesnāt work, some say it works. Without H/W trim FFB yoke is no buy for me.
Iāll grab some details, and add this to my list of FFB gear.
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/list-of-force-feedback-hardware/648622
Iām baffled by some design decisions here. They made the base out of metal, but then made the yoke itself out of plastic! Also, why did they put those console controller style trigger switches there instead of regular buttons?
While watching Markās video, I noticed that the yoke didnāt fall forward when the engine was off, and seemed a bit juddery when he throttled up. Iām sure that can be tweaked in the software.
Nice to see that it supports a full 90 degrees on roll though.
How the yoke behaves in real plane when the engine is off and there is no airflow over the elevator depends on particular plane elevator design (whether itās mechanically or aerodynamically balanced).
In most of the real planes I fly (SD4 Viper. Tecnam P2008JC) the stick just becomes loose (no forces on it) without dropping in any particular direction.
Iām mostly interested in hardware trim allowing relieving the forces for particular flight condition (pitch attitude, angle of attack).
I fly in VR so I like the buttons/switches on the yoke base and handle.
Letās hope Asobo will provide native ffb support, so that the sim feeds the dynamic control forces to the yoke, rather than having to manually set a gazillion parameters in the yokeās control software.
To be considered if you think about buying Moza force feedback products;
Yeah, some interesting choicesā¦If I were to take a guess, itād be "make a yoke handle accessible to all, then drop more specialized ones for a āpremium.ā I do find it funny that in some of the reviews they used those triggers as rudder controlā¦āYeah, iām going to spend $1,200 on a FFB yoke and have no rudder pedals,ā LMAO.
Yeah, he said later on that he messed with the sensitivities or something, but never put them back, so I think that was user errorā¦but I too am very interested in how the controls behave when the plane is off.
Yeah, that definitely needs to be cleared up.
I bought one, though. The only reason being is that theyāre made by a company that sells stuff āin store,ā which potentially means easier to fix/service/replace, and modular options should be available to see in-store. These other companies like Brunner or FliteSim look fantasticā¦but considering there is no way to get help with issues, unless you send the product halfway around the world was very unappealing. Hopefully this yoke works well and fits the bill.
When you will get your hands on it please report if/how the hardware trim works. Being unsure if it works is the only reason Iām not yet ordering it.
Thatās what I am confused about too. Overkill video showed it working, so I am surprised Mark didnāt see the sameā¦
Beware. I ordered 1 from the website and used Paypal thinkin it was secure, And they charged my credit card 3 times for a total of $4689.00 Cdn . For just 1. I will have to cancel my credit card again from Fraud.. dangit!!
It all sounds great but to be honest I have several issues with it concerning that narrow base. One of the key features of the Honeycomb XPC is immersion. Especially with the real looking Battery, Alternator switches, the light switches and the spring loaded starter/magneto switch. In addition the yoke handle itself looks rather like something Iād expect in a GA plane.
And while FFB would be something extraordinary and the price is really good, the Moza looks like it was built and designed by an engineer and not a pilot. The yoke it gigantic and looks more like something youād find in B-52 or C-130. I could get used to that probably.
But the rest of the button layout is cramped together and not ergonomic, the starter switch is just a 5-point rotary without the spring. There are also not enough switches for all the major functions you need so you have to prioritise for each aircraft. That kills it for me.
I like that the mechanical part and housing is kept flat so you can mount is below the table easily but I would have preferred a larger faceplate in front with a more spacious layout and more switches and buttons.
Also one thing thatās ALWAYS overlooked is the Carburetor Heat Switch. Why the hell does almost NO system have one of those?
Even if all issues from the reviews are fixed itās not the product I was hoping for. And my experience with Chinese lack of customer service combined with long delivery times and customs hassle when ordering directly from China, is the final nail in that particular coffin.
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Last not least thereās still no GA joystick available you can use with your left hand and between your knees like in a Robin, Breezer, VL-3 etc. The only thing available are HOTAS systems and a few left handed fighter grips as well as desk joysticks.
Iāve been waiting for a pretty simple lefty stick, maybe a trigger button, and one on the top, to attach to any number of FFB bases that are now coming out.
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Virpil cm3 and a left hand grip?
yes but a fighter jet grip simply feels completely wrong flying a DR400 or VL-3.
You can those with two fingers on the grip during cruise.h
Also with a simple GA grip I could use it with both hands without having to switch when flying a Piper Cub or SF-260 who have a left hand throttle.
I contacted Virpil but they didnāt seem very interested. Kind of āweāll look into itā answer.
Maybe if more people contacted them and showed interest that might make them reconsider
That would be best, a stick that can be used either left or right handed.
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For those who wants a simple stick without frills, usable with both hands, SKS have just release the P-51 flight stick. Even if itās for a P-51 it doesnāt really look like a warbird stick excepts for the olive color. A lick of paint and itās all set.
They also have a TPM with Vernier levers.
SKS products use hall sensors instead of pots.
https://www.simkitsupplies.com/uk-shop/
I donāt have the yoke yet, just their AB9 stick base, but elevator droop works fine and is very configurable.
Hardware trim works fine but needs to be set up in advance. Sim trim following is also in the works and scheduled for the next release - hopefully in April.
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Could you please provide small instruction/guidance how hardware trim works and hot to setup it?
You need to go to the Special tab in the Cockpit software.
Enable the Hardware trim switch and then assign buttons on your grip to each of the trim directions you want to use by clicking each + icon. I would also recommend assigning a button to the trim reset option - I donāt recall the exact name but this lets you clear the current trim position of the stick allowing it to go back to the true centre position.
There is also a trim follow rate setting. This determines how sensitive the trim feature is. A lower value here gives much greater precision but takes longer to trim. A higher setting makes trimming quicker but is less precise. I currently have this set to 8.
Iām not at my PC at the moment but can share a screenshot of my setup later if you want.
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