What 3rd party aircrafts did you get and how do you rate them?

fun: 6,5/10
quality of simulation: 7/10
stability: 9/10

I also have the A320 by FBW, but I need to learn to pilot big planes to appreciate the work.
If you have other suggestions, I’d love to hear about them.

Oh, and why did I forget to mention the free XCUB Performance+ by Bush League Legends ?
It’s one of the most fun aircrafts in the game, and it works well. Highly recommended.

fun: 7/10
quality of simulation: 7/10 ?
stability: 8/10

at least it was before the JustFlight Arrow came

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Too many bugs for my liking to waste anymore hard earned cash in this game!

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Piaggio P.149 (AT Simulations)

  • fun to fly
  • old fashioned
  • nice visuals and audio

PA-44 Seminole (Carenado)

  • good steam gauge twin engine trainer
  • nice visuals
  • like all Carenado planes not too sophisticated

Money M20R (Carenado)

  • fast
  • good steam gauge single engine cruiser
  • nice visuals
  • like all Carenado planes not too sophisticated

MB-339 (IndiaFoxTecho)

  • fun
  • fast
  • beautifully done
  • sound could be better

Spitfire (Flying Iron)

  • just getting to know it
  • it’s a Spitfire: what’s not to like?

PA28R Arrow (JustFlight)

  • extremely sophisticated flight model
  • very good visuals and attention to detail
  • most likely the most realistic plane I have
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i like to fly the Piaggio P.149 because its fully analog and older. Only one COMM.
Its fun to fly it.

And then the Spitfire from FlyingIron Simulations. Its just wow! Really realistic, great sound, fully analog and not too easy to fly

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At this moment i prefer the Justflight PA28R Arrow III. Love it to fly with the PMS GNS750 Mod.:heart_eyes:

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I have Three aircraft.

Carenado C 182… I flew this aircraft a total of three times and that was it. Didn’t like the sounds, or the way it flew. Will set in the hangar forever.

Carenado Mooney …Love this aircraft, flies great and looks good. Autopilot vertical mode takes a while to learn, but after a few flights, it is easy to manage.

Just Flight Arrow 3… Just got this, and have done 6 flights already, and I can tell that this is the one I will probably use 95% of the time. Flies great, looks great, Flies like a real aircraft.

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Mooney: Just awesome all around…my fav aircraft atm

Seminole: Good fun, but for whatever reason don’t use it that often.

Piper Arrow: Could very well end up being my favorite in short order…feels so good to fly. Only issue right now is the the keybinds don’t play nice with the alpha and bravo since the “toggle” option of each one needs to be used and Msfs detects it as a continuous push which is extremely annoying. Hopefully JustFlight can fix that soon. Otherwise, fantastic fun.

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I have all of them. Here is my quick take. :wink:

AT SIMULATIONS:

  • Michel Colomban Cri-Cri
    Quirky, twitchy. Overall I don’t fly it much - too short of a range and VFR only. Floats version isn’t amphibious - so can only start on water.

  • Piaggio/Focke-Wulf P149
    Gorgeous model, old pure-steam gauge goodness. Slow. Unfortunately, too buggy. Transponder can’t be auto-tuned to ATC requests and the aircraft messes up both transponders and comm volume in other aircraft after using this one - good enough reason for me to avoid flying it until it’s fixed.

BLACKBOX SIMULATIONS:

  • Cessna L-19 Bird Dog
    Great fun to fly, love the amphibious version. Creaky. Cockpit isn’t the most beautiful thing in the sim. REALLY fun to fly. Trim properly. Slow. Highly recommended though

BREDOK3D:

  • Eurofighter Typhoon EF
    Garbage in every department.

  • Boeing 737 MAX
    Garbage in every department except for the outside model, which they didn’t even do (sourced from another party)

BT STUDIOS:

  • Kitfox STi
    Garbage. Needs a long runway to land - too much idle thrust. Abandoned by developer. Avoid like the plague.

CARENADO:

  • Cessna C182T Skylane
    Eh. Looks good. Annoying engine sound. Flies OK. Not enough reason to fly often.

  • Mooney M20R Ovation
    REALLY fun. One of the best aircraft in my hangar and the best one Carenado has done so far. Highly recommended.

  • Piper PA-28R Arrow III
    Nice and slow newer Arrow. Flies OK now after the patch. Some minor issues remain, but it’s pretty good to fly and is gorgeous.

  • Piper PA-44 Seminole
    Really fun twin. Looks gorgeous, flies pretty well. I recommend it.

  • WACO YMF-5
    Gorgeous, tough to fly - the way it should be. All steam gauges. Really fun. Sounds amazing. Highly recommended.

DC DESIGNS:

  • F-15 Eagle
    Fast supersonic jet. Don’t expect complexity - it’s a simple implementation, but looks and works great, especially with CodenameJack’s mod. Really fun. Recommended

FLYING IRON SIMULATIONS:

  • Spitfire L.F Mk IXc
    Work of art. One of the best aircraft available. REALLY high bar was set with this one. Tough to fly - will challenge and reward you. Can’t say enough great things.

GOLDEN AGE SIMULATIONS:

  • Kinner B-2 Sportwing
    Wicked ugly low-res textures. Historic aircraft, really fun to fly actually, but is an eyesore. Lots of cool little extras implemented. But it’s free now, so go get it.

INDIAFOXTECHO:

  • Aermacchi MB-339
    Great way to start with military jets. Nice trainer. Flies great, gorgeous to look at.

  • Rutan Model 61 Long-EZ
    Quirky stuff. It’s OK… I don’t fly much cause it doesn’t have an autopilot.

  • T-45C Goshawk
    Pretty complex subsonic military jet. Pleasure to fly. Gorgeous. LOTS to learn. Highly recommended.

IRIS SIMULATIONS:

  • Jaburu J160-D/J170-D
    Slow VFR flying - gorgeous aircraft. Flies nicely. Comes with two bushtrips - one of them is insufferable. But lots of cockpit options - you basically get 4 aircraft here.

JUST FLIGHT:

  • Piper PA-28R Arrow III
    Can’t say enough great things! Wonderful high-fidelity aircraft. Has some minor issues that will be corrected soon. Doesn’t support icing right now. Textures are just OK in SOME places, gorgeous in others. Lots of options. EVERYTHING works.

LIONHEART CREATIONS:

  • Socata Trinidad TB-21 GT Turbo
    Actually really fun! Looks OK, flies really nice. I recommend it and fly it often.

MSCENERY:

  • McDonnell Douglas FA-18C Hornet
    Avoid like the plague. Just stay FAR away.

NEMETH DESIGNS:

  • Aero-Works Aerolite 103
    Lots of unfixed issues. Aircraft sinks into ground on landing. Cold and dark start is not configured properly. Development abandoned. Avoid this developer.

SIM SKUNK WORKS:

  • Fiat/AerItalia G-91
    Gorgeous, flies REALLY well, one of the best available military aircraft in the sim. Can’t recommend strong enough.

SIMWORKS STUDIOS:

  • Zenith CH701 STOL
    Nice STOL aircraft. Pretty basic, but really well-done. Recommended.

VGP:

  • Just Aircraft Power Solo 103
    Fun ultra-light. Looks OK. I don’t fly these often, but this one is THE one to get if you want an ultra-light.

VIRTUALCOL:

  • Beechcraft 99
    Garbage on all accounts. Wicked ugly, flies OK, no depth, horrible sounds.

WING42:

  • Bleriot XI
    Fascinating study-level aircraft from the dawn of aviation. Will challenge you every step. Highly recommended, but you won’t fly it THAT often cause it’s… special. But DO get it.
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Thank you. Very informative. :slight_smile:

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Looks like 4 planes receive accolades:
Mooney M20R (Carenado)
PA-28R Arrow III (JustFlight)
Aermacchi MB-339 (IndiaFoxTecho)
Spitfire (Flying Iron)

edit: june 2021
Just look at the posts by BostonJeremy77 :smiley:

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The piper just flight is way over powered on takeoff. 30 feet and up 1400fpm

I ended up buying every aircraft that’s available in the Marketplace.

I think my favorite experience so far is the Bleriot XI package from Wings42. It’s fun and terrifying, all at the same time, and it really makes you appreciate how much we owe the pioneers. I wrote a review for it here: Bleirot XI: Initial Thoughts.

But even if you don’t like the aircraft themselves (plural, as there are three differerent variants), in the documentation you get a 40-page book in PDF format that by itself is worth the purchase price, in my opinion. The only weird thing is that the fuel/payload menu allows you to change the engine weight. You’d think this would be incorporated in the aircraft’s empty weight, but no…

Honorable mention goes to Carenado’s Piper Seminole. Everything about it reminds me of my dad’s old 1966 Ford Mustang. If you’ve ever gotten an opportunity to get familiar with an old car like that, this is basically the airplane equivalent in my opinion. Just a not-much-to-it-but-still-powerful-and-fun kind of feeling, ya know?

I also love their offerings on the Mooney, CT182T, and Arrow, but this is special to me. I have the Waco but haven’t flown it much. It’s not a bad little plane, from what little I’ve seen, it’s just still on my to-do list.

DC Designs’ F-15 is kinda fun. Don’t try to fly it with a keyboard though, the controls are pretty unresponsive that way, this aircraft is what convinced me to break down and order an Xbox controller.

I’ve seen a bunch of people complain about the Eurofighter but honestly I don’t know what’s supposedly wrong with it. Haven’t flown it much, but maybe I should, just to see what all the fuss is about. Ditto for the Kitfox.

IndiaFoxtrotEcho MB-339 is cool, I’m glad I have it. Hopefully practicing with this will help me get a handle on the raw power of the fighter jets. Long EZ is nice. Long-legged, high flyer, as it should be. Not much to it, very simple. I like to leave the copilot to fly it if I’ve got a long cruise ahead, and come back around sunset to watch the stars come out. Just got the Goshawk. Not sure what to make of it yet, but no glaring issues from what I can see.

I love the Jabiru family. I haven’t tried the bushtrips but I appreciate all the customization options that come with the in-cockpit tablet.

The Aerolite 103 is one I haven’t flown much of. Haven’t even logged a landing in it yet, but plenty of circling around a few local airstrips. I tend to overstress it.

Bird Dog is great IMO. No complaints here.

Simworks Studios Zenith CH701: Genuinely amazed at the short-field performance in this thing. I’ve never even heard of this manufacturer/model so I can’t attest to the quality of the simulation, but I’ve had a good time in it, especially cruising over the Rockies where the peaks sometimes exceed the maximum certified operating altitude.

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Well ■■■■, I’ve really got nothing to add that BostonJeremy77 hasn’t said, as I think he’s right on the money.

In order of purchase:

INDIAFOXTECHO
MB339

Literally the first thought was…WEEEE!!! Lol Flies and handles great. Lots of fun to buzz the tree tops at 300 kts. A few of the systems are still a bit buggy or just not implemented, missing some effects, but that may be out of their hands ATM.

CARENADO
Mooney
182

Grabbed these while they were on sale around Christmas.

Love the Mooney for the most part. You can fly it fast, you can fly it slow. Looks great. I do find it quite jittery in the controls, like the default planes. But overall no regrets, just hoping for an update. This is why I’ll probably never buy off the marketplace again. If it wasn’t encrypted, it would have been modded to perfection by now.

I never fly the 182. It’s ok I guess, I’m just not a fan of glass cockpits, so that’s really on me. Other than that it’s ok I guess. Its another Cessna, just a bit bigger and faster. But like all Carenado, they seem to focus on how it looks, not how it flies.

2 small gripes about their planes, the sun visor moves and that’s great, but it’s either one way or the other. You can’t position it where you want. It sounds silly, but is actually useful. And if you open the window the plane crashes, even if you’re below the speed the little sticker says to not open the window.

FLYING IRON
Spitfire

Awesome plane. Looks and sounds amazing. Especially when you drop the rpm down just over/around 2500. You really hear that growl.

Not thrilled with the flight model though. Very hard to takeoff, it wants to turn left hard while rolling to the right. In the air it just seems overly jittery and cartoonish, again like default planes. But, still a great addition.

JUST FLIGHT
Piper Arrow

This one has quickly become my favorite. I find the flight model superb. First plane to not feel like a cartoon game. It’s not jittery, you can almost actually feel the weight. Everything in the cockpit works. Windows, doors, adjustable sun visor. You can fly with the window open. Working circuit breakers. The details are tops. For example the engine sound when you open the window, is different from the one when you open the door. There’s only a few buggy things, but they’re minor. The autopilot needs some tweaking. Something odd with the transponder. That’s about it. Lol looking forward to more from Just Flight.

Bredock and mscenery…i don’t have them, but nothing but bad all over the forums.

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Great post by the way. I haven’t bought any yet- I didn’t realize that marketplace aircraft can’t be modded.

All mine were bought ‘outside’ the sim.
So an excellent Bleriot xi from Wing 42 - a real test of flying especially the most accurate RIP version with the 25Hp Anzani engine. And great fun because of that (I got mine to 700 whole feet above Old Warden after flying just over fences and around fields dodging trees).
Also the excellent Spitfire 9 from Flying Iron. (I am seeing ever more of them in sim now ‘Tally Ho’).
From Flightsim.to I also have
The EC135 - now flies not too bad but still under development and fighting ASOBO dynamics so cut it some slack. The first helicopter in MSFS
An Edgley Optica - ideal for exploring with its heli-like cockpit.
A Super Etendard - also not final version yet and with a ‘bug’ that uses up one small tank first (I have researched & modded fuel system - not tested until later today).
A Tiger Moth - nice 3d model, nice accurate flying (easy to fly but harder to fly accurately - just like the real thing)
And last but not least in any way - a North American P51 (it had weird landing gear dynamics so i modded it to as close real world as I can research - much better).

The Spitfire has some questionable undercarriage dynamics. Using many books and restoration photos I determined the actual static & dynamic compressions, guessed damping ratios and so forth. Much less weird behaviour on mine now (but the real thing suffered P effects and torque effects and that narrow U/C of course anyway - just not so wallowy as that one.
Flying should = light pitch & roll with ‘hardening up’ & reduction of response at high speed. I actually upped the aileron gain a tad. It has a realistic spin that becomes stable but probably can pull a bit too much of a tight turn before the high alph a gets it stalling. Still very nice though.

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I have to admit that I keep an eye out for your posts before I take the plunge on buying any aircraft now. Keep doing what you’re doing!

Out of curiosity, what are your top 3 GA inclusive of the default planes (including any third party mods such as the TBM mod)?

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Top 3 GA in no particular order:

  • TBM 930 stock but with WT G3000. (No other mods)
  • Carenado Mooney with GNS530 mod.
  • JustFlight Piper Arrow III with GNS530 mod.

So you got a turboprop, a fast single-engine, and a slow single-engine. Sometimes the Seminole can be used interchangeably with Mooney. :wink:

Honorable mention: Stock Baron G58, BushLeagueLegends X-Cub variants, Savage Grravel… come on!! Not fair to do just 3. But those are the ones I want to fly most often.

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Purchased the IndiaFoxtEcho T-45C Goshawk, the sound is terrible and the graphics look all blurred, sorry I bought it, it’s not ready for release. Guess I’m spoiled by the FlyingIron Spitfire which is magnificent in every way.

I don’t know what you are talking about - I think the graphics are great. If you mean the HUD, that’s a known issue and changing AA method will fix that. The sound does need work and it’s slated for the upcoming update.

These keys look blurry to me
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