What’s your “that’s it, I’m done with this plane” experience?

None, really. I’ve been pretty satisfied with all my 3rd party plane purchases to date. I haven’t had any give me the “screw this, I’m done with this plane and / or dev” moments. Then again, I’m choosy about what I buy. I let others be the guinae pigs and buy it and review it first then decide based on that.

The only one I found mildly annoying was the C414 in the first days of early access / beta. It was just a matter of too many big changes being made way too often (sometimes multiple updates per day). It became annoying to me and I decided to park it until it came out of beta. To be clear, I wasn’t upset about it, as that’s the nature of early access products. Once it came out of beta, it became one of my all time favourite MSFS planes.

currently the C414 seems to be back in beta then :joy:

It seems the Twotter is done with Aerosoft too.

Likewise. How did it ever pass QC? That said, I like it with the popped out screens.

well, THAT was the most strange thing. Don’t know what they’re planning to do, but actually removing an addon after almost two years and then announcing it will return some day is highly unusual.

The whole episode was beyond strange.

I’d take a lot of convincing to buy an Aerosoft aircraft again. Their scenery stuff can still be great though.

Indeed it does. As a result, I’m not updating the Simstrumentation Air Manager instruments for this plane until it hits a steady state again. Too many fundamental changes happening in quick succession that can basically ruin the work I spent time doing.

The steam gauge C172 the moment I landed it in Red Square.

Once upon a time in FSE, there was a monthly newsletter called “The FSE Reporter”. In an effort to drum up more contributions, the editor offered the prize of a C172 to anybody who 1) contributed to every issue for 6 months, and 2) those contributions were deemed the best. As it happened, I ALREADY had a column in the FSE Reporter and only 1 other person got involved, so we both ended up being given C172s.

Now, the C172 is NOT amongst my favorite planes. I have no nostalgic attachment to it from real life and it’s slow and unprofitable in FSE. I had flown it fairly often early in my FSE career because at that time, there weren’t many other options for broke FSE noobs using MSFS but, by the time I received this C172, I’d made enough money to buy a TBM and was blasting around in the flight levels in the lucrative VIP racket. I was done with low and slow in FSE. So honestly, I wasn’t thrilled to have a C172.

BUT, it was a nice gesture and I didn’t want to seem ungrateful, so I determined to do something special with this bird, publishing a PIREP about recreating an historic C172 flight in the FSE world. And naturally, to people my age, the most historic and famous C172 exploit was when this crazy German kid named Rust landed one in Red Square at the height of the Cold War.

Problem was, my C172 was in south Mississippi and Rust started in Hamburg, so my 1st challenge was getting to the start point. I had to fly the thing all the way up to Goose Bay, which is a long way in such a plane and came close to burning me out on it before I’d even started the actual recreating. At Goose Bay, I put the C172 in a crate and hired another FSE player with a DC-3 to freight it to Hamburg, where I had the plane reassembled. This provided a nice break in the monotony of grinding this plane along, which I needed.

And ONLY THEN could I begin recreating Rust’s itinerary. He flew out to Iceland via the Shetlands and Faroes, then back to Shetland, then across the Norway, then over to Helsinki. It was from there that he finally flew to Moscow. Nearly all of these hops were VERY long for such a slow plane (500-600nm) and mostly over unfriendly water. Rust had ferry tanks aboard but I didn’t. While the FSE gods WILL install ferry tanks in your ride for historical purposes, this is a 1-way conversion and I didn’t want to ruin the plane for normal FSE use. Thus, I flew all these long legs at about 80kn for maximum fuel economy. And, of course, the real flight was in 1989, before GPS, so it was all the occasional NDB or VOR and mostly DR. The final leg from Helsinki to Moscow was all DR after an NDB on the Baltic coast which no longer exists, so I used one in Finland instead. But my aim was good enough to hit Moscow from 600 miles away.

BUT, I had to do that last 600nm flight 3 times. Before attempting it, I did some practice hops in Moscow landing on the bridge Rust actually used. When starting in the air nearby, I was able to land on the bridge no problem and taxi into Red Square just like Rust did. So then I fired up FSE, started in Helsinki, and made it to Moscow. I landed on the bridge just like I’d practiced and the plane fell through it and crashed. So I cursed in Russian, took another drink and repeated the process. Same result, with much more violent Russian cursing (I know a lot of Russian curse words and NOTHING else of the language). On the 3rd attempt, I skipped the bridge and just landed in Red Square itself with no problems.

All that was IMHO way above and beyond the call of duty to show my appreciation for being given this plane. And I have NEVER, and WILL NEVER, have the envie to fly the steam gauge C172 ever again. Or any C172, for that matter. That said, I made many friends in the FSE community through discussion of my PIREP about this project, I got a lot of FSE street cred for doing this, and I got this story to tell out of it. Plus, it made me a better sim pilot from leveling up my radio navigation and DR skills. So, all in all, it was worth all the trouble and considerable expense in doing all these time-consuming, zero-profit hops while my TBM was languishing on tie-downs. Maybe someday I’ll do something similar, but NOT in a C172.

As to the C172 itself, I immediately transferred it to my group of white elephants, K&B’s Boneyard in FSE, in hopes somebody else would want to fly this now semi-famous plane (it’s not just any C172, it recreated Rust’s misadventures). Nobody did for about a year afterwards. But then I got a PM from somebody wanting to buy it because it was the 1st plane he ever flew in the FSE world many years ago. So I sold it to him at the same price as the cheapest C172 then on the market.

At this moment there is only one: the Twotter.
Flew it for quite a while, but eventually it was just abandonned in the hangar. Iam curious what the follow up will be by the new dev, but untill it gets a complete makeover it will be Twotter Mc Dustface.
So in the (near) future I wont be buying any aerosoft planes anymore unless the quality increases a lot (and not by empty words after release but right from the start).
Their Northsea pack is on the other hand quite a nice addon which i would recommend.

Beside that there are no real dustcollectors in my hangar. As @Crunchmeister71 also mentioned, I did my homework before purchase and let others be the guinea pig. The only “day-one” buys, where from PMDG.
Well, I must be honest here, some planes got overtime a small/longer hibernation because of buggs or broken flightdynamics. But thats just the dynamic world of updates in MSFS i guess.

There are on the other hand a couple of other no-go’s and blacklist dev’s:

  • buy scenery. It happend to me already a couple of times that i bought a scenery pack or airport, just to find out it would get also a makeover in a worldupdate later. This was in the early days of MSFS and since than I only buy airports, if the quality is very well done, or isnt allready done for free on for example flightsim.to But no scenerypacks for me again from the marketplace, despite the fact some look very, very nice.
  • SLC, or self loading cargo got deleted form my drive and I consider it as a loss
  • Havent bought any of the following devs, planes and wont do that because their products and policies are well below parr and/or disgrace for the simcommunity. To mention a couple:
    Captainsim, Deimos, Bredok and MSscenery.

The Halo Spacecraft/Thing from Asobo, tried to start it, could hardly lift it of the ground, flies nothing like a plane or a chopper and takes 2 Gigs on my SSD. It didn’t last one day on my system :rofl:

This reply should be pinned on every topic in this forum. It is the finest thing I have ever read on here :joy:

Not to defend their previous poor efforts but out of those blacklist devs I’d keep an eye on Deimos going forward.

Credit where credit is due, their grippen looked like a huge step in the right direction and they’ve been keeping it regularly updated.

The A-10 they released recently looks quite good from what I’ve seen, I’d say it looks better than the dc / sc design birds some people hold in high regard. The visuals looked sharp, there appeared to be a decent amount of systems fidelity (for a fighter jet) and the flight model and sounds also seemed pretty decent.

It’s a shame their early efforts generated so much bad-will with the community that their significantly improved later products are ignored. But such is the value of a good first impression, it’s a hard climb back up but they do seem to be somewhat committed to improving with every release so I’ll give them credit for that.

Bredok3d and Catainsim however can stay firmly in the bottom of the barrel as they’ve shown no effort to improve thus far.

All glass panels on Xbox - all I ever see is BLACK

It was very cheap though. On the other hand, the AH P51’s sounds are abismal; and, like you, I don’t bother to fly it even with the better sounds that I found - and paid for - on top of the $35.95 for the product. I just wish Skunkcrafts P51 for x-plane 11 could come to MSFS.

Well, glad to hear you found some improvement, and they are still improving their product. At least thats something.
You are right with: credit where credit is due, but like i said it needs to be a super awesome on release or after many updates before i will consider a purchase.
Because of the quite good reputation, I persuade myself to buy the twotter. Even after a couple of negative reviews, I thought: how bad can it be and… they are Aerosoft, they will fix it soon.
Well its funny how things can roll…
Anyway, things change, people change and opinions change… I just hope quality standards will improve over time and that the cheap cash-grabbing times will be over soon.
But for everything is a market and I wish them all success with their business.

  1. The Rutan LongEZ.  (I forgot where I bought it.)

It is the most unstable aircraft I have ever flown.
(See update below)

I can do better flying a paperclip with a rubber band prop.

  • It doesn’t want to fly regardless of elevator trim.
  • Once in the air, it REALLY wants to pitch over and kill you.
  • If you cheat death, flying it is like balancing an oblong turkey serving plate on a 10’ pole, sitting on a spinning basketball. . . On a rocking balance board!

Back into the hangar it went, FSBO to whomever wants it as a museum exhibit.

Note that the X-Plane version EZ flies like a dream!

Update:
It appears that the Long EZ requires the “modern” flight model as it’s absolutely unflyable in “legacy” mode.

  1. The “Flea” series of aircraft.
    This plane is virtually impossible to fly without a periscope.

  2. All the airliners and most of the jets.
    They’re too complicated and really require a virtual crew for cockpit resource management.

Note that the PMDG DC-6 is the single exception in my hangar.  For one, it’s totally cool and it has a virtual crew so you’re not overwhelmed.  Likewise, PMDG provides a whole series of YouTube videos that help you understand what’s happening and how to effectively use the resources you have.

Additional note:
I HATE 99.99999999% of the so-called “instructional” videos on YouTube - they take 30 minutes explaining something that should have taken five minutes at the most.  PMDG’s videos are a welcome exception - they are packed with meat from end-to-end and are actually worth watching.

  1. “Commemorative” aircraft, like the Anatolev super-cargo aircraft that was severely damaged.  I will probably never fly that beast, but I bought it because I felt it was a worthy cause.

It hasn’t happened to me too much, but I must say I have bought very few planes.

The Dornier J Wal for example, I couldn’t say I left it after a long affaire, as soon as I discovered I couldn’t start at anywhere in the water from cold & dark and there were very few seaplane bases, and very geo-localized, I lost a lot of interest.

May be the case most matching the OP statement is the JU-52. I loved the plane, but it had some many model issues (and some really annoying bugs) that I abandoned it for a while, and they were corrected I tried to return to it, but the magic was gone.

The other only three planes I fly (FBW A320, Carenado Beech D18 & Inibuilds A225) are still fantastic, they cover the different ways I like to sim (I have the steam gauge C172 in my pending list to really close my needs) and at least for the first two they are still improving their performance and depth (in the case of the Beech, via the Denarq’s mod).

A cheap product that you don’t use is much more expensive than a not so cheap product that you use for many, many, many hours. :wink:

I do have dust collectors, but I didn’t stop flying them because I was sick of dealing with issues, poor dev support, etc. It just happened because much better planes that I enjoy more came out subsequently. I sometimes go back and take one of those out for a spin, but ultimately always prefer and returrn to the newer, higher end models. It’s hard to go back and really enjoy your old Honda Civic quite the same way you used to after you’ve been driving a BMW for a period of time.

Totally agree with that (beside driving BMW :crazy_face:).
I noticed patience is a virtue in this sim business and over time I luckily developed a bit more of that because of some hard lessons learned.
About the dustcollectors: payware only one, default aircraft: All of them (forgot to mention them earlier because I never touch them).
For exampe, I refuse to fly the default 747 and just waiting for the PMDG 747 to come out.
Same with other aircraft (default and freeware). Not that Iam an expert in one of those aircraft in real life, but I developed over time a bit of a bare minimum that is required for my simexperience.
And untill now, they just dont meet those requirements.
One major consideration for me is sound. If that hasnt been done right, its an immediate no-go.
Flightdynamic wise, Iam willing to compromise a bit, because it will never be like real life anyway. But even there are some limits. And some of the models are just to arcade-ish

Just a random example of a luxury tier vehicle. Replace that with whatever your preferred high end brand is. Just making the point that once you’ve experienced and gotten a feel for the top tier class vehicle, it’s difficult to go back to a low end base model and really have the same enjoyment out of it.

I still hit up several default planes, although many with mods. I regularly fly both C172 variants. I never tire of the good old Cessnas when I want to just fly VFR and explore the world in low and slow mode. The high wings make enjoying the landscape far better.

I also fly the Bonanza (with Turbo mod), SR22 and Baron. Recently, the DA62 (with improvement mod) has been getting some significant hours. The TBM has also been a favourite for a long time that gets the occasional flight. Particularly now with the improved AAU 1 G3000.

I also quite like the CJ4, although since the Vision Jet and HJet came out, those have been taking up my bizjet routes. And now with the new and improved Longitude, that’s another great default tier plane that I’ve been starting to fly and enjoying.