People are nuts, the new Aerosoft CRJ has basically everything modeled from the tutorial videos and every switch works and all the systems. you can fly it just like the real plane and people still say “it’s not study level”.
I have no idea what people actually want TBH.
Love the game, excited for the CRJ!
Right, I have to agree with this sentiment. While my initial expectations may have been unrealistic. I realize that now. There were opportunities for improved airliner immersion that IMHO could’ve been implemented pretty easily. As it stood upon release, It actually might have been better if the airliners were just omitted. Fortunately, the modding community is strong and I’m quite appreciative for their contributions to improving the airliner experience. FBW specifically deserves an award or recognition for their on-going and outstanding work.
People are hellbent on hating Aerosoft by any means lately.
No one is forcing them to buy the CRJ, they are free to still use ■■■■■■ freeware FSX port overs.
Or develop their own.
I just don’t wanna see any tears when its time to pay $$$ for PDMG “study level” products, but of course people will do that also.
Are they really nuts, or is it in part the reaction of people that have heard the term ‘study level’ rolled out so many times in the past, and then found the end product to be anything but even at the lowest point of the scale, exercising some caution?
Without being any the wiser, I’m going to place you at the bottom of the scale of personal expectation i.e I can flick lots of switches, the shiny shiny looks shiny enough to me and it flies. If that’s your standard or something close to your definition of ‘study level’ then I’m sure you will be as suitably impressed as your pre purchase excitement suggests.
But to go back to my previous post, the term ‘study level’ has become a term that is what people want it to be, and not one gauged by a set recognised standard. There is no certification system in place here, with neckbeard Bob sat in his basement wiping the burger bap seeds off his keyboard having equal opportunity to voice their opinion as someone far more disposed and qualified to give an accurate assessment.
Additionally, Aerosoft have to my knowledge never gone for the high end of the market i.e. where the likes of PMDG operate. They are mass market appeal, sitting comfortably in the middle of the realism and accuracy spectrum. Unless they have changed with this aircraft/sim, and I’ve not seen a quote on here to say they have, then the expectation based on previous efforts is that this will be the same. I don’t consider that to be an unreasonable viewpoint to hold at this time.
Are you an experienced pilot type rated on CRJ’s, or someone holding a similar level of knowledge to be able to offer an objective opinion free of bias, and also participating in a Alpha/Beta test for this ? If not, you’re in the Bob camp.
My main criticism is that you are making claims that unless you fit the criteria in the paragraph above, you cannot substantiate or evidence without introducing personal bias. There are enough people on here still gnashing their teeth that the default aircraft with this sim fell below the mark, or fell below their unrealistic expectation that this sim would ship with PMDG level aircraft compared to continuing the flight sim trend of release = basic aircraft. Toss word salad in about not even being able to achieve that to your hearts content.
The dust is still settling in here over the standard of things in this sim following release, with certain players perpetually rolling out the same old lines they’ve been using since release. One of the most often used terms of criticism is ‘hype’, which in part is a result of end users getting ahead of themselves and seeing what they want to see, or buying into what they’ve read, seen or been told.
At some stage, a real life CRJ pilot (or more) that is independent from this project and impartial will fly this thing and hopefully offer a measured, honest and factual assessment of it’s accuracy, and that will be a far better place to start from.
Not me personally; as with many developers they are free to sell what they wish, and good luck to them. I’ve never bought anything from them as always found the quality of their addons I looked at often at odds with their asking price, and the first thing I saw when trying their free Paderborn addon for this sim was an A320 with a jetway going through it like a harpoon.
Correct, many will and many won’t.
Not my bag personally but also consider that some people 1) don’t do that and 2) are content to wait for other offerings down the line.
I don’t know about you, but if I buy any product that doesn’t meet my expectations, then I don’t magically disappear into the shed and then appear with a suitable replacement. I can turn my hand to a lot of things, but I tend to go down the route of buying the item or similar from someone else that actually does meet those expectations. The ‘develop your own’ statement would have context if this was an essential element of something, which it is clearly not.
Then surely you also won’t want to see tears when people pay $$$ for an aircraft that people are making claims about with the possibility that it will fall short of those claims. It may not, but the possibility exists. That’s especially true for here, where some people will nit pick and continuously look to criticise anything they can related to this sim. You know exactly what I mean 
Are you saying that people should say it’s (the upcoming Aerosoft CRJ for MSFS) “study level” ?
Not even the FSLabs A320 line of products is “study level”, as was explained to me by a real world ex-747 and current A320 captain who is a very popular flight sim Twitch streamer and in FSLabs’ beta team.
I can tell… simply by your condescending post that I have much more experience flying real airplanes then you do… with that out of the way…
A) If you want to fly a true “study level” aircraft get your pilots license. even PMDG aircraft are absolutely nothing like real life.
B) PMDG, Majestic, FSlabs, Aerosoft all have nice aircraft for various consumer simulators that if you master, you could actually get into the cockpit of the real versions of the plane and have a good understanding of how to fly it… I’ve used all of them… The MSFS 2020 Aerosoft CRJ does not appear to be an exception to this based on the youtube tutorials I’ve seen so far.
C) In all your rambling trying to show everyone how smart you are, you still never detailed what systems/feature define “study level” in your opinion…
I’ll pose the same question again, what do people actually want …
Nope, I’m implying nobody has any idea what “study level” is and everyone defines it differently so it’s a stupid thing to argue about.
I’ll ask again, what features, specifically are you after in order to classify consumer simulator aircraft as “study level”??
It’s a flight simulator, so why shouldn’t you want a study level aircraft, more realism must be preferable, right?
100 percent true.
Also true. A cursory glance at their list of bugs or some of their dev blog updates for currently available products should tell us that much. The products PMDG, Majestic, Aerosoft etc are selling to home desktop flight sim consumers that we can buy for $60, $80, $100, $150 etc are not critical application. They are entertainment products first and foremost.
Everything offered in Aerosoft A320 and A330 is study level for me, like in this example here: Our products used in education - English - AEROSOFT COMMUNITY SERVICES
But for someone else (like the A320 pilot I was referring to earlier) they might not be.
Anything and everything that compels me to study is study level for me. But study what? If I wanna study the normal, day to day operations of a CRJ or Airbus, the Aerosoft A320 or CRJ are appropriately study-level for me. I’m not a real world airliner pilot and have no intention to be one. I still love aviation and want to learn something cause I find that entertaining and edutaining.
The real world A320 pilot on the other hand needs to study and practice more, and the stuff he has to study for his job needs to be perfect. There can’t be even just a little bit of discrepancy between what he’s learning and what he sees in his real world cockpit. That’s why neither Aerosoft nor FSLabs airbus is “study level” enough for him.
This is study level…
Having the ability to have buttons that click and displays that reflect the changes is a bonus. Being able to actually fly and land, another bonus. To be able to fly by the numbers, accurately, another bonus.
Eventually we will have all those bonuses. We will never have a duplicate for sitting in a real cockpit. We will, however, have a pretty sweet sim. At which point the forum will fill up with complaints that…
a) It is too hard to and therefore it is “broken”.
b) If the 3rd party developers can do this, why did Asobo give us these ■■■■■■ planes for $120 and now force us to pay another $60 to get something that works.
c) The fuel truck is the wrong color.
It’s a whole new world out there- payware seems to be the enemy. So many new users have so much to learn… Personally, I hate the CRJ- but not because of Aerosoft. I hate it because it’s the CRJ- but I’ll buy it because few planes really work yet, and I’m dying for some variety.
It’s a term that’s been floating around for years. We have default aircraft- which have always been garbage. We have the freeware market which usually produces halfway functional planes, and then study level- which includes systems, procedures and enhanced flight dynamics that add an entirely new level of realism and workload to flying these planes.
Of course none of them are completely realistic- But a lot of these developers have RW pilots on that particular type who help to make them as close as possible. So, for all that, sure I’ll shell out a few bucks, especially if I’m going to be flying them a lot.
Oh man, you have no idea what you’re missing out on then.
I agree, I think a lot of them are really good and definitely worth the money!
What’s your favorite?
My all time favorites are the PMDG 737, 777 and Majestic Q400. I used all of them with FSX for years.
I like the Aerosoft airbus family as well, it provided a good experience and immersion but I like to fly the Boeings more personally so I’m probably a little biased that way.
After riding from LAX to YSSY then back a few weeks later, I don’t need a tubeliner. Cool experience that I’m going to repeat when I can, while dreading every minute. Why would I intentionally inflict that agony on myself for “fun”? At this very moment I’m at 800ft in an XCub over South Africa on my way to Cape Town. Do that in an A320.
Bless everyone that likes it, but it ain’t for me any more.
Oh man the 737 was my favorite in P3D. I probably put in more hours on that thing than some RW SWA pilots:-) The 777 was great just for the sounds alone. I miss them in here. Unfortunately, I can’t get back into the other sims after experiencing the lighting and weather in here, so it’s been a pain to wait.
This sim definitely opened up VFR flying for the first time. It’s amazing. I’m a tubeliner guy through and through, but I spend a lot of time in the sim just cruising around too. Soon enough we’ll have the best of both worlds.
The cool thing about updates in here is that when things break and annoy the tubeliner/big airport crowd, we can jump into a prop and just fly somewhere and get away from it all:-)
I learned to fly in a C152.
I practiced my lessons in FSX.
The C152 and scenery in here is around 90% of the feeling, operation and look of my flying lessons.
So, it really IS study level.
I fly the A320neo, and put videos of the A32NX mod online. A friend asked his mate to watch one of my videos, and his mate was shocked by how much we all knew. My friend told me what he had done, and then told me his mate was an A320neo pilot, with 3 yrs experience.
There is a guy on YouTube (“320 sim pilot”) that compares the sim to his real-world flying of the aircraft. I think we can safely say that with the A32NX mod, it is fairly close to SLA.
Alternatively, you can get your PPL, IFR cert, twin cert, then type rate on the A320. (around £12k)
Or, hire an A320 simulator for an hour or two. (£110 an hour)