I am still on Win10 but I am being asked to upgrade to Win11. I am a bit reluctant because everything is running well now (fingers crossed) and I fear that something will break if I do the upgrade. I fly only in VR with a G2. Anybody know of any advantages under Win11 for VR users that might push me to do the upgrade? Any and all suggestions welcome.
I am running a fairly old PC with an i9-9900K and a RTX 2070S. (I plan to do a new build in 2023 if I live that long.)
John
Just try it?
You have some days (I think itās 15 days) to get back to Win 10 without losing anything. I do this ādowngradeā from Win 11 to Win 10 several times per months as I manage several PC from people I help, mainly aged person who canāt change their habits, and I can understand that. Itās just a click and boom youāre back to Win 10.
Thanks. Might do that.
A tale of woe with me and Win11⦠The 22H2 version of Win11 was due to be officially released in October. There was some feature I craved, so I foolishly joined the Release Preview Ring in September and immediately opted out of the Release Preview Ring, expecting to be converted to the standard general public channel in October with the release of 22H2. Somehow, I continued on in the Release Preview channel āqueued for release.ā On December 8th, I saw a Taskbar notice that a System Update was needed. Apparently, it was a BIOS update and it failed. I ended up with my $2.5K Dell XPS 8930 SE computer stuck at boot on the Dell logo, no F2/F12 access to the BIOS, unable run a BIOS restore, or run diagnostics, or boot off a UEFI Win11 recovery USB drive. Probably because I had an upgrade SSD as my system drive and had neglected to move or keep BIOS_img.rcv on the upgrade SSD, removing all peripherals, unplugging, holding the power button down 1 min, removing and replacing the CMOS battery, jumpering the CMOS pins, etc., did not restore the BIOS. I decided to put the OEM system SSD back in. Boot was still trapped at Dell logo. Then, I read on the Internet that holding down Ctrl + ESC at power on, at least for Dell computers, can trigger an automated BIOS restore. And it worked for me, probably because a BIOS_img.rcv file was on that OEM SSD. The OEM SSD was on the standard release of 21H2 Win11. Upgraded to the latest standard release of 22H2, no problem. Wanting to push my luck (later I thought of Dirty Harry, āFeeling lucky today, punk!?,ā I put the upgrade SSD on 22H2 Release Preview back in. It booted fine and ran well until I got the toxic Release Preview system update again. Same deal, trapped at Dell logo. Back to the OEM SSD in the standard release channel and another Ctrl + ESC BIOS restore. The last time I updated my BIOS was 9/21. Noticed Dell had BIOS updates from my version 1.1.18 all the way up to 1.1.27. Upgraded from .18->.21->.24 but .24->.27 froze me at the Dell logo again. .24->.26 worked (I learned to put the relevant BIOS_img.rcv file on a USB drive along the way, too). A tale of woe reported to Dell resulted in the .27 BIOS disappearing from their site. My system passed a full 6-hour Dell diagnostics run at boot with the OEM system SSD.
My upgrade SSD has too much stuff on it for me to want to wipe it and reinstall Windows. I could lose licenses to some very old, expensive, valuable software. I have a full system backup of the computer with the upgrade SSD in it back around August when it was still on the standard release channel. But Iād rather just get a newer BIOS from Dell that will hopefully jump me over the Release Preview update with the bad BIOS. And then Iāll pray that āqueued for releaseā really means something someday soon.
I was pretty mad about this - that such a Windows update comes with no sure-fire recovery method and probably was just obtained from Dell and used without much testing for Windows Update. So, kinda like Howard Beale in the movie Network, being mad and not wanting to take it anymore, I ranted in a single thread in the Windows Feedback Hub about āqueued for releaseā and untested toxic system updates, the result being that all 1,239 of my previous WFH posts, including the one with several rants, disappeared. Iām still allowed to make new posts.
The .27 BIOS was described by Dell as a critical urgent system update - so presumably it was intended to fix some serious security issues. It would just be nice if one could get such updates without bricking oneās computer. I never knew about Ctrl + ESC and BIOS_img.rcv before, so at least I got a great education out of the whole experience. Sadder but wiser.
I thought about asking for help on this forum since so many folks have built their own computers and know them inside out. But it seemed inappropriate. I didnāt find any answers on Dell or Microsoft community support forums and eventually felt like I won the Powerball lottery when I stumbled across a partitionwizard . com blog about using Ctrl + ESC as a last resort to restore the BIOS on Dell computers.
I still like Win11, though!
But I think Iāll stay in the standard channel from now on!
I did the upgrade to Win11 this week and so far so good. Had to rebuild my start menu (no big deal).
I appear to be using more of my C: drive so I guess Win11 uses more space. I may have to move my msfs install. I now seem able to use DX12 beta without stutters. Early days but no major issues so far.
Was going to sympathise ⦠but then I read āDellā
I run the sim on an Alienware Aurora R9 (Dell!!) with Windows 10 and itās running really quite well ATM,
My PC is always asking me to upgrade to Win 11, but if it aināt brokeā¦.
I donāt recall Win 11 taking more space than Win 10, but could be.
Saying that, if you didnāt clean your C: drive, you should have the old Windows 10 installation backup in a directory labeled ā.oldā (I believe itās āwindows.oldā). Could explain the space used. It allows you to get back to Win 10, so think about it before running Disk Cleaner and retrieve all your free space ![]()
Yes, you are right. I have both the new and old windows folders. Have cleaned up the drive a bit. (Found a bunch of old X-Plane 11 Orbx scenery taking up a lot of space which I archived.)
Dell make some really good laptop, I worked with some Latitude, Inspiron and lastly XPS serie during more than 15 years, changing laptop each 2 year. I have at home an Inspiron more than 9 years old with an i7, 16gb Ram, and a new SSD, running now Win 10. Pretty solid machine IMHO.
So YMMV I guess ![]()
No idea what all the above has to do with Flight Simulator 2020??
Relative to MSFS and machine reliability, when one has ~$5K invested in a computer (counting my RTX 3090, HP Reverb G2, and associated Honeycomb/Thrustmaster peripherals, one wants an OS, an update and recovery policy, etc., thatās going to get the most out of that investment and not raise much likelihood of destroying it by bricking the computer or any attached device.
Dell has very economical rates for shipping a ābrickedā computer back for repair, but I didnāt want to go there (didnāt know if Iād have to include one of the system SSDs with a lot of sensitive information on it). I also thought relative to gaming, if Iād built my own computer from the ground up, Iād be better able to deal with such problems and wouldnāt be so dependent on my OEM supplier for esoteric components and configurations.
So perhaps the bottom line on my experience, for the sake of gaming and my computer health, it might have been safer to stick with Windows 10. Before I learned how to efficiently implement Ctrl + ESC recovery for any BIOS version I wanted to return to, I went through dozens of power button off shutdowns (no other way to shut down), which is not supposed to be good for the long-term health of an SSD (and I had another non-system SSD in the computer, too, that I perhaps should have removed).
Iām basically revealing my own stupidity at running a very expensive computer setup on a Windows 11 Windows Insider Ring and recommend no one else does what I foolishly did - or if you do, hope that something like the Ctrl + ESC automated repair mechanism works with the equivalent of a Dell BIOS_img.rcv file. Maybe if I were building my own computers, I would have learned about such things long ago.
for me is good, just can not pin some files on taskbar, but with some trick you can pin there everything:)
Iāve used this before, and it works well. Essentially you drag the file you want to open on to the task bar. What that actually does is pins the program itself, but if you right click on it instead you get a small menu of āpinnedā files. Dragging other files of the same type on to the same icon adds to the right-click list.
I built a dedicated rig for msfs, running it with win 11. One thing Iāve bumped into is Win 11 wants a touch panel to be your primary monitor. Iāve seen some discussions that there may be a workaround, but I havenāt tried this yet. Right now, my 4K TV is running at HD resolution because the wimaxit touch monitor (for air manager) has to be set as primary for it to use touch. Which also means unless the workaround works I canāt use dual touch monitors either.
Canāt you just change the primary once it is connected?
Win 11 here. I have a 27" monitor connected with DP, and a 14" touchpanel connected with HDMI.
Itās easy to use Windows Display Settings to configure either one as a primary monitor, extend or duplicate the desktop, and set the relative position of the two monitors. If I turn the 27" monitor off the touchpanel becomes the main desktop. If I turn it back on the bigger monitor does. Win 11 is better than Win 10 at handling displays.
OK, updating from in front of my win 11 box - 22H2, 22621.1265. Right now, my 65" TV is set as my main display and I can NOT get touch to work on my wimaxit. The maddening thing is, it works on the taskbar - if I click the folder, windows Explorer opens. It doesnāt work on the main body of the screen though.
If I go to control panel, choose āsmall iconsā as some have suggested, there is a āpen and touchā control panel, but it doesnāt really do anything. It lets me do things like which tap action maps to click or double click. So my assumption is that I can set the touch panel back as main display and get it working, but for dual touch screens in Win 11 itās no go.
My PC keeps prompting me to upgrade to Windows 11 - for MSFS - should I bother ? Iāll likely clone the SSD and HDD in 12 months anyway then probably up-grade. Current spec is mid-range i7-10700 / 16Gb / RTX3070. Very short of SSD space.
I really like Windows 11. Iāve been running it since August last year I think, and have had no issues with it. No impact on MSFS either that I can see.