Black Square Baron and Bonanza Professional releasing soon

Alright, after skimming the manual, the first leaning should be at the critical altitude at ~20000 feet for the Baron P. Then lean again at cruise altitude. Thanks for the pointer.

Don’t suppose there’s any way to make it to where the transponder and weather radio don’t turn on with the master avionics switch? I got enough switches in my dumb little home cockpit to where I’d kinda like to turn all these components on and off individually when I start and stop the plane.

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It bugs me, too, that the Transponder is in Alt mode upon power up.

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Felt like a very ā€œNixon Redgraveā€ problem as I was typing it :joy: :clinking_beer_mugs:

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Leave it full rich until cruise lvl. You don“t lean in climb, even after critical altitude. Leaing is in most TC engines only allowed at 75% power and less. And you can maintain easily 80% BHP and more in climb up to 25.000 ft. I summarized it as followes:

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At least the weather radar can be switched to off after flight and stays off for me for the next flight (state saving), so I have to switch it on manually. Not tried the transponder though.

The Bonanza Turbonormalized was not a stock production so there are only suplements for the retroffit with turbo. But regarding to this you can even climb with 100% power the entire time. But that are always only the numbers in the books. In practice there are many procedures that just evolved and got commonly used. Reducing to 29.6@2.500 like the BKSQ manual states gives you roughly 80% power, which a very common climb power rating. Your 25@2500 is also still absolutely ok IMO, as it represent roughly 75% power, which is usally already more in the cruise power range, but still would be more easy on the engine than 80% power. And if your speeds and climb rate with 75% power are sufficient for you, than there would be nor reason not to climb with 75% power. Here a screenshot from a suplement I foound.

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I wish more people would be willing to read the fantastic manuals that come with the actual aircraft. Black Square is doing a fantastic job with them and all of the technical/procedural questions in this thread are covered there in detail. The effort to create such detailed large manuals is of course covered by the selling price, so people already paid for it. Why not read them?

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Well, a short whole ago they went up to 37k in a cub irl, having a documented service ceiling of 23k, if I’m not mistaken. So what to make of that?

You can set the transponder to be off or in stby mode by default. Open apron.flt in the main folder of the variant you want to change e.g in Packages\Community\bksq-aircraft-baronpro\SimObjects\Airplanes\bksq-aircraft-baronpro. The third block of text starts with ā€˜TransponderState= ā€˜ Change this to 0 for off or 1 for STBY. I set mine to STBY by default.

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Love this community. Thanks!

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Wow, how is that even possible? I tried several times by running the setup with BROWSE in command line and by choosing my addons folder which is the target for all my AOL links. But whichever folder i choose, the installer will add a /community subfolder to it.

EDIT: Ok i figured it out, i was choosing to repair the already installed version, which will lead to above mentioned behaviour. After uninstalling and doing a clean install it worked.

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Thanks: this manufacturer information is very interesting. As an engineer, I obviously enjoy this kind of discussion.

As is normal for turbo normalised engines, the max MP and RPM in the Bonanza are 29.6" and 2,700 RPM respectively. I find it interesting that the manufacturer’s info you found basically suggests 100% power for cruise climb! They obviously know their product, but just intuitively, as an engineer (and therefore inherently conservative I suppose! :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:), I would be most uncomfortable running at 100% power for anything other than takeoff and initial climb. Climbing continuously for potentially say 20 minutes or more at full power just feels weird to me.

Power settings that are included in the Black Square provided manual for the TC Bonanza:

The recommended 29.6" & 2,500 cruise climb settings still equate to a tad over 90% power, which as a real life owner and payer of maintenance would still leave me a little uncomfortable. On the other hand, 25" & 2,500 is a touch over 75%, which is probably a bit too conservative. Maybe next time I will settle on 26" & 2,500, which is a decent 81%-ish.

Note that, absent true dyno figures, I just use the general concept of power being proportionate to both torque and engine speed and I made a slightly simplified assumption torque is directly proportional to MP. Obviously not 100% correct but typically not too far off within smallish differences.

Thanks for the discussion!

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Fully agree that BS have provided a truly exemplary manual for the Bonanza - which is the only one of the two aircraft I have, but I would assume the Baron’s would be the same. Seeing as I only recently purchased the aircraft, I have really only skimmed the surface of the manual for some basic info, so I still have a lot of reading to do generally but particularly in terms of the avionics.

Kudos to BS.

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Purely speculation on my part but it could be down to the fact that the rated power is a bit below what some variants of the 520 are able to put out. Not counting the GTSIO line, there are still several that are capable of 310-325hp. If my logic doesn’t fail me here, that means 100% power for the TC Bonanza is somewhere in the realm of 92-94% power of what a full rated 520 can make. Again, I’m just guessing here, but it seems plausible.

Edit: Just had a look in the Bonanza manual (I’ve been trucking around in the Baron exclusively thus far) and it looks like it’s actually got a 550 in it. A quick look shows there’s turbocharged 550s making 350hp so that’s an even bigger derate if that is indeed what’s going on with their suggested power settings.

The engine is just rated by their manufactorer for 100% as maximum continous power. If it would be my real life money for maintenance and fuel, I would climb with less then 100%, more around 80% power. And 29.6@2.500 is more like 80% than 90%, if i remember corectly. You can see the current BHP on the EDM, so you dont need to estimate, you can just calculate for a specific setting how much power it would be compared to 300 BHP.

In the SIM on the other Hand, I like to climb and cruise fast^^.

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The Bonanza has the 550. The 520 is on the baron. And they dont derate it, they just dont uprate the turbonormalized BHP like a turbocharge version. they just want the full bhp up to the altitudes and not more power per se.

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Excellent info! Still feels like there’s a bit less stress on the motor producing less power through less forced induction though? My knowledge runs pretty thin in this area unfortunately.

quick q: does the single Baron Pro addon folder work with both 2020 and 2024, or are there two separate versions?