But again we come back to, what percentage of people using the sim are flying airliners around LAX? We hard core simmers are deluding ourselves if we think we are the majority here. I have run into numerous releases since this all started that show that this sim has attracted unprecedented numbers of new users. Most are nonpilot first time simmers. I expect that to explode once the XBox release hits the shelves.
That leaves a limited percentage of our forum members that will notice or care if there is a bit of flickering outside the window when flying a 747 out of LAX. Those are the users we need to get off their ------------ and support these bug threads with at least a vote. The things that are important to simmers are going to be backlogged forever in the shadow of contrails if the users can’t be even half as serious about voting for bugs as they are screaming to the ether inside ‘General Discussion’ threads like this.
Don’t tell me that there are more simmers than I think, or tell me that the bugs are immersion killers. Just tell me that you have searched out every bug thread that concerns you and you have voted.
Did you see the thread they have going now about reporting issues? I had a lot of confidence that they had a handle on this by now. Now, I’m not so sure…
That’s not the point. There’s something buggy associated with these areas. I wonder if it’s a pattern. It’s not just the airport, it’s the entire area. Maybe it’s an object, maybe it’s something with the new and improved PG. Who knows.
Not sure what you were reading, but that IS the point. Look what happened when the bug list was crushed under the weight of “Remove the Hit Any Key To Continue” votes. We will never get the attention that the casual gamers will get because they out number us 100 to 1.
Specific bugs like this NEED to be discussed in the bug reports so they stay at the top of the list. Without activity in a thread it drops fast and gets 0 votes. Worse yet, someone else starts a new thread about the same thing and the votes get split. It never gets on the bug list and but soon you will have smoke in the chimneys in Holland because that’s what the masses want to see.
But then I would suggest clicking on the magnifying glass in the upper right of your screen. Click on the options. Under category, select Bugs and Issues. Then search in that section for anything that relates to your issues. Vote.
Because you are not flying in the areas where the problems are located. This is a world map problem, it does not reside in our computers. Did you read the Asobo release whjen the last two so called “Patches” were released? They did a world map “upgrade”, noyt just adding England, but they did things like corrections on the map itself, and when you fly over the areas that were “corrected” your frames drop all the way to hell.
My feeling is that they hoped for a quick fix and it hasn’t happened.
Also, they know the patient simmers will be patient, and they know the cranky ones that continually complain on the message boards will complain no matter what they publicly state.
I’m one of those who don’t experience any problems, and I’m well aware that this could be because of what I fly, where I go, and what kind of other traffic I have active. Plus an almost endless list of other possible reasons.
But I do think it’s fair to mention this when other people go ballistic in frustration and describe the sim with words like “unflyable” or “useless”. Because it’s not. Not for everybody, that is. And this also worth keeping in mind. Not least if you’re willing to find out what, if anything, you can do to improve the situation yourself.
Those terms are thrown around a little too much. However, when previously you were running 40 fps on ultra and after the update you’re barely breaking out of single digit frame rates with low settings, I would consider that genuinely “useless” and “unflyable”. And there are a lot of people in that boat atm.
Not to mention I’ve seen way too many instances here where someone having problems is told it’s their computer. There are certainly circumstances where someone’s PC is the culprit, but when you have a multitude of people using MSFS who experience the same exact problem, that originated right after the latest two patches, it becomes a little more apparent there is more going on than just someone not maintaining their PC, etc.
I was one of those who ran maximized on ultra and never had a problem, until the latest update. There is nothing wrong with my computer. Hardware is fine, drivers are fine. If someone is experiencing a hardware or driver issue, it wouldn’t just manifest itself on MSFS and not on any other graphic intensive program used.
Where have you heard me say that there’s no FPS issue?
You said that “no one can run them at more than 20fps”, which just isn’t the case.
Someone said earlier in this thread that (paraphrased) “just because you don’t have an issue doesn’t mean there is no issue”. Which, of course is very true. But don’t forget that the same reasoning applies when you do have an issue.
Need a date! the game doesn’t work! It was perfect for me before the update! There are thousands of users all with the same problem in the same geographical areas!
The whole “flyable or unflyable” thing needs to stop ffs. It doesn’t matter if it’s flyable or not. The thing is, msfs runs like total cr*p to begin with, but because it’s a flight simulator it doesn’t need high fps (according to some).so they get away with it. So when the game runs like ■■■■, but you ignore that and find a setting wich gives reasonable performance, and then after an update you lose that performance it’s just a big pain in the bu tt. It can still be flyable though, but fs9 is also flyable.
Imagine buying a rtx3090 wich runs at 2000mhz the first week. Then suddently it will only run at 1000mhz.. It’s still usable right? So why bother.
Everyone who comes up in such discussion telling people they shouldn’t be complaining because it’s still flyable need to go peep themselves. Ms/Asobo made a mess out of this whole product and need to get their act straight. You can’t defend this with making statements like “it’s still flyable”
Good for the people that only played flight sims in their lives but everyone with some sort of proper gaming system playing other games aswell would not consider this whole experience as ‘good’.
