Windows OS has nothing to do with Carenado’s buggy plane. This plane still has issues with no update after release.
Their other planes are not as bad.
I am deleting this and going to fly my other dozen or so payware planes.
Hell, there are freeware planes that get more updates post-release.
SimWorksStudios will make a PC-12 and that will be on my to-buy list.
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Came here to complain about not getting an update in tonight’s Weekly Dev Update… But I like what Sonosusto wrote and I’m going with that plan.
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I bought myself the Analog King Air. Now i don’t even miss my PC-12 anymore. Time to move on.
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Yep, that was me, carenado zendesk said to uninstall any updates i recently installed… u kno, we dont wana rush them into updating their product, better make your system vulnerable instead.
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There you go.
p.s. For me that was it with Carenado (and the marketplace). The showstopper for me is not even that they released a buggy product, but the non existent communication. A simple “we are aware of the problem and are working on a fix” would have sufficed.
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None of these are fixes for critical vulnerabilities. They’re all nice to have, I’m sure, but not having them does not expose you to any security risks that you haven’t already been exposed to for the last thirty years.
Windows is Software as a Service in the same way MSFS is and users are expected to incorporate updates when they become available.
It’s one thing for a product to break because of an OS update but suggesting users need to downgrade their OS rather than striving to release a fix in the nearly 2 months since release isn’t a good look.
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It’s not been “nearly two months” since 22H2.
It has since the PC-12 came out and I PERSONALLY reported the bug with the Windows Insider early access to the 22H2
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All these discussions lead to exactly nothing. Has the developer at least reacted to this in the meantime and issued an explanation somewhere that is accessible to all customers? NO! We as end customers will not get over making up our own minds and will only buy from developers we can rely on to fix bugs at least within an acceptable time frame. In this way and only in this way will these problems solve themselves over time and spare the nerves of the users 
But there is one more problem, which is a bit of a cover for the developers. When a new aircraft is announced, the developers are bombarded with messages like: "When will the aircraft finally be released? “How long should we wait?” and so on… (those were the harmless postings)
The developers are put under so much pressure in the “non-social media” (which I personally have fortunately long since banned from my life) or in forums that I, as a developer or dealer, would also lose the desire to communicate with the customers. As customers, think about it 
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They have mentioned several times to me, through email, that they are working on the problem and a fix is on the way.
I keep asking for Changelog or something to go with and I get the same reply.
It’s been nearly two months.
I am considering this especially since they have the PMS750 integration…
Are the flight dynamics improved over the default plane?
Please take no offense if I didn’t read your comment correctly. Most of this is not directed to you at all.
Carenado’s advice is pointless, unwarranted and has nothing to do with their buggy plane.
Avsim (forum) even has a list of glaring issues with the plane.
Some of these we can live with until an update.
The most glaring issues are avionics/battery dying after prolonged flights and severe debilitating frame loss when activating an approach (ILS, for example), or just FPS loss in general.
And before anyone comments, NO
ITS NOT the Bios updates that cause a plane to be buggy. This is terrible advice.
This advice is as terrible as those who completely uninstall the simulator, reinstall windows, then reinstall the simulator.
It does nothing to fix the bugs regarding your mods, liveries, or bugged out planes.
Think of how much scenery you have installed that wasn’t updated in months? That could cause a CTD on approach as your sim is loading corrupted or bad data. Hell, even the sim attempting to load a ridiculous amount of traffic as your landing can cause a CTD. This plane…this plane … is simply bugged.
Unless you only fly for an hour or maybe you got really lucky. One of you on here even proved you flew almost 4 hours on a few occasions. Lucky!
Anywho. Wish me luck. I am trying this plane again from Queenstown to Melbourne international.
Haven’t flown this plane in several weeks but I thought maybe I’ll give it a go. I thought a 1100 mile flight might prove a point.
If it still sucks, I am deleting it and buying the Analog King Air
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Do yourself a favor and get the analog king air ASAP. It has failures and all that good stuff!
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I think the flight dynamics are great. I think they changed it yes.
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100% The analog king air is what the PC-12 should have been. I am still looking forward to the SWS PC-12 though because i just like single engine aircraft more.
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I appreciate the replies. Surprisingly, I stopped my last night’s flight because it was too boring and I was paranoid of Avionics failure and FPS loss.
So, I do what I hardly ever do (unless testing) and I quit mid-flight. It was about 3 hours of flight time but I still gave up. It was 1am.
I will look into that Analog King Air. The default plane had some performance and flight dynamic issues that I could not get past. If I find out that they’ve improved it, then I’ll probably get it.
Apples and oranges… the BKSQ Analog King Air is ‘only’ a new cockpit and flight model for the stock King Air, and they didn’t even bother to add opening windows and doors.
Still it costs 10,- EUR more than the PC-12, which brings you a whole new plane including an EFB and a lot of other immersive features. Unfortunately it contains those annoying bugs and Carenado still couldn’t be bothered to address them.
Still, in any case, the flight model and systems of the PC-12 would never ever have been on the same level as the BKSQ addon. That’s simply not what a Carenado plane is about.
Take a Just Flight PA28, Milviz C310R or a FSW C414. Those can be compared with BKSQ’s King Air. But they will also give you a complete plane instead of only a cockpit for the same kind of money. And I expect the SWS PC-12 also to be between 35,- - 40,-. So in my book the BKSQ King Air is very good but also seriously overpriced
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For me, if at all the 310 is comparable. The JF28 and the 414 are not even remotely in the same league as the KA, regarding system depth - let alone the PC12.
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Take a look at this video, which is exactly the same order as Carenado’s startup…
I don’t want to defend Carenado, because the bugs in the plane and the eternal not fixing them is in my eyes a cheek by now. But, the PC-12 is a very easy to operate aircraft, so it can in no way be compared to the procedures of a King Air or various other aircraft - it is nonsense to do something like that.
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