Discussion: Sim Update 3 (1.14.5.0)

[moxiejeff]

As in ALL updates to the sim, any 3rd party mods will most likely break until they’re patched. That’s the nature of the game.

[CptLucky8]

@HugeMercury163

Asobo smugly said in a Q&A that the acceleration bug (aka the 10 degree heading bug) had been fixed, with no further comment on this really annoying “feature”. There was mention in the latest release notes that gave some hope, although it is ambiguous, " * Improved the behavior of knobs that repeatedly send an action to prevent it from sending multiple events at once" .

This one is fantastic!

Does it mean their interpretation of the 10deg bug problem was this bug in their code base and since they solved this bug in their code base, they thought they solved the 10 deg bug without actually knowing what it is we are talking about in these forums and therefore begging the question why we are loosing time reporting?

Or

Does it mean this is an unrelated bug they have corrected but the specific 10 deg acceleration bug correction is still not released and won’t be until WU4 or a hot fix in between?

I find this really really puzzling not in terms of not being able to correct bugs, but in terms of is there really someone able to comprehend the reports we send via Zendesk or via Topics with votes, able to understand what it is about, and able to translate this into technical explanation to a sufficient level so that developers can more effectively understand what it is all about.

I’m sorry to insist on this but I believe the 3rd party developers are able to cope with understanding the link between simmers feedback and simulator function, and this further strengthen to me the idea of the shared source approach I’m exposing for the next Q&A and which you can support in clicking the heart icon here:

Live Dev Q&A: Guided Question - #61 by CptLucky8

@CptLucky8

I’m willing to bet there would be a great deal of existing renown and experienced 3rd party developers who would be trading some of their time contributing to the FS code base provided they’ll get a chance to enhance its core which would benefit their add-ons development first, and as a consequence any add-on development.

It would also take less people to hire, for managing this process, than hiring people doing the coding itself, while at the same time, I believe it would clearly prove to the community Microsoft and Asobo are really building a simulator for simmers meant to stay for a long time span, while recognizing without a shadow of a doubt 3rd party vendors are essential to the franchise and they wouldn’t compete with any of them directly.

Jorg is saying this himself: it is not like any other game or franchise, because people working in this industry are way more knowledgeable than he thought, way more engaging and passionate too, and he came to the realization FS2020 is a platform.

I believe the best way to turn this new vision into acts, is in forgoing the concept of closed source code and control, because the real value of such franchise comes from its ecosystem first and foremost, and this ecosystem might be Xbox crowd during a time, but most likely simmers only for the next decade, and simmers are expecting at least one thing regarding 3rd party vendors, which is flying their add-ons on simulators capable of running them, not the reverse.

The general idea could be a 3 tier/layer approach for example:

• lower level core simulation IP (physics, weather, network, rendering engine, etc…): closed source.
• higher level simulation environment (UI, gameplay, interfaces, presentation, etc…): closed source.
• middle level implementation: shared source with 3rd party vendors.

The middle tier is about building higher level functionality using the lower tier “blocks” in order to serve the higher tier. This is also where the SDK is plugged into with a certain number of I/O interfaces. In addition, the needs and implementations done by 3rd party vendors at this level would be influential to Asobo building additional lower level blocks and/or enhancing the existing ones.

What pertains to the simulator as a whole remains Microsoft/Asobo IP, and what pertains to the 3rd party vendor ecosystem is shared. In some ways it is not dissimilar as how it is today, except the simulator would benefit from much more developer resources, who would be contributing to enhancing the interfaces between the simulator and the 3rd parties, because these would be based on both their actual needs and the general guiding principles where Microsoft/Asobo want to lead the franchise to. In addition it would give a much better long term picture and vision to 3rd parties about where this is going for their own business, let alone the priceless engagement of 3rd parties ending up working mostly with FS2020 instead of another simulator platform.

There are certainly others ways, but it is a simple win-win idea.

[JellySnek3160]

My god you are an elitist, aren’t you?

[CoralBeef38328]

Hello,
Latest update was performed today screen goes to load whatever flight and crash to desktop, i cannot do anything to make this game run after this latest update, was working fine prior to the update

[PHL188]

I know, but this time it’s not even showing the cockpit!

[MortThe2nd]

@StellarRunner

Sorry for not having as much free time as you. But I’m tired of all those untested releases. So if this one is also giving all kind of issues (from the map, to CTD’s, to performance bugs or failing AP), I don’t even bother to start the sim.

But you have time to complain on a forum about something you haven’t experienced yourself? Odd that.

[TallestWings553]

Guys I just started msfs and another update popped up ( 1.41GB )? Is that an additional fix?

[CoralBeef38328]

i have nothing, nothing will load when i select any flight weather its training or anything it crashes back to desktop with no error message

[SanMan140579979]

Nope…I think that had something to do with liveries

[Ravgath]

Could you please restore everything to the initial version when MSFS2020 was released. I think it would be the best update and solve many problems you created in meantime. Seriously, when there will be a separate test server available ?
btw. FSX liveries? I think everyone was waiting for it .

[HalberQuacky]

@Donws1957

same here… i have lost 15 fps. My GPU used to be at 95% and my CPU around 50%. Now my GPU is as low as 60% and CPU very high… like 90%. My fps is so low, it is now virtually unflyable around larger cities. I will not be flying if this doesn’t get corrected. I will be reading this thread to see how many others are effected.

Prior to the update my GPU averaged 80 percent and my CPU 60 After the update, my GPU is averaging 85 percent and my CPU 60 to 65. Frame rates and VSync externally locked at 30 via NVCP. Absolutely no detectable change in performance whatsoever, other than possibly less microstutters over dense terrain.

[SanMan140579979]

I know you probably heard this before…is your community folder empty? This sim is very temperamental…you look at it wrong and it crashes…kind of like my wife…lol

[AlexE75]

@GAParadise

What’s this? Was it there before? I mean the fauna

This controls how much ground crew is displayed in the hangar menu. Drag it to 0 and only 2 ground staff are displayed. Less to render, less graphic load in the start menu.

[MortThe2nd]

I think the fauna slider is new, and should change the spawning of wildlife like seagulls (which can hammer performance), giraffes and elephants.

[CptLucky8]

@MortThe2nd

and should spawning of wildlife like seagulls (which can hammer performance), giraffes and elephants.

Discussion: Sim Update 3 (1.14.5.0)

Nice find! At least this will help solving the problem where 700 seagulls are spawning and not destroyed reported since September maybe (?), in case this bug is still not solved, at least user can disable all fauna with the slider so its seems. Seagull model causes massive FPS drop when loaded - Archives / Bugs & Issues - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums PS: Search for other “seagull” messages, there are many.

[tibu73]

Same here , stutters at all.
Even fliying at high altittude

[Rockstaraviator]

Wow! I just installed the update and went to fly the Carenado Arrow. Upon landing as soon as I put a notch of flaps the plane started doing cartwheels?!

[MortThe2nd]

Mods need to be updated after a patch. If you can’t give the authors of the mods a couple of days to update to the latest patch, stop using mods.

[AlexE75]

@MortThe2nd

I think the fauna slider is new, and should change the spawning of wildlife like seagulls (which can hammer performance), giraffes and elephants.

I have written exactly above you what the slider does. Try it out and see for yourself.

[snglecoil]

You know, I had a feeling the so called Garmin improvements were going to fall short of any reasonable expectations…I didn’t expect them to fall this far short, but whatever.

The fact that the 10 degree but is still not fixed, though, is absurd. It is mind boggling how the prioritization process works for this title.