Thanks for also speaking up. It may not help, but maybe someone will hear us finally. We’ve only had fragments of a full flight sim so far. Not enough. How about a roadmap? Or a refund.
Honestly, there’s nothing baffling about it.
The whole idea of a smaller client-side download is to make it more suitable for Xbox, as opposed to advanced PCs that many of us use.
That’s it.
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Appreciate your concern and how you have expressed it. I have just installed a new AMD RX7800XT and a New 32 GB RAM to overcome the Direct X12 issue with my old AMD RX580. ((Which I now understand was not powerful enough to run MSFS2024 even though it ran MSFS2020 with no problem). MSFS2024 loaded within a reasonable time (I have a 300 Mbps Wireless router) So now I get to see how this NEW Sim is going to fly. In your response you mentioned DCS, have you tried Laminar Research X Plane 11 or X Plane 12? I use both of these Sims often and never experience any of these Bugs that seem to be occurring in MSFS2024. I will follow up with a post on my particular experience shortly. I intend to keep flying MSFS2020 as I persue the Knowledge Test and Check ride for the Instrument Rating… I got my PPL in 1989 so I am what you call RUSTY
Don’t give up on Asorbo… they are trying to be instructive to those new to aviation and have made a big mistake in how they are treating us Traditional FLight Simmers… I personally think they will come around… there are 15 million of us and I which I knew what the % breakdown was of “Game” vs. Flight Sim and RW Pilots. Too big a segment to ignore , especially with Posts like yours.
CIAO
WVSF-VFR
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So instead of turning 2020 into a truly advanced flight simulator, they’ve put their corporate effort into producing a scenery/sightseeing game, with a half-baked flying sub-game added on, which also includes a rather grindy career mode and gamified ‘once-played, never again’ scenarios from an action movie. Not forgetting the pretty giraffes and elephants of course.
Why not just improve 2020 for those who want to fly and leave 2024 for those who want to play games? Then we’ll all be happy…assuming they both work of course.
I always thought it significant that the trailer and loading screens were focused on the ‘spectator’ visuals with virtually nothing from the cockpit itself.
I guess that should have been an indicator as to where Jorg and his team were truly headed with 2024.
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I don’t understand this whole idea of blaming Xbox because MSFS 2024 is apparently gamified and tuned down to match console hardware.
While I’m not a fan of MSFS 2024 because of the awful launch, I have both a gaming PC and an Xbox. And I can confirm right now, MSFS 2024 runs better on PC than it does on Xbox. If you are struggling to run MSFS 2024 on PC, then it’s likely your PC isn’t good enough.
Also, a lot of arguments in this thread state that “MSFS 2024 is no longer a sim, it has become a video game”. This is just an invalid statement because truth be told, the Microsoft Flight Simulator series, for the past 40+ years, was never intended to be a professional simulator.
Anyone who actually wants to have a professional flight simulator at home has the option to buy the FAA-certified version of X-Plane and combine it with FAA-certified simulator hardware.
There are a lot of valid arguments which show MSFS 2024 has serious problems, but it not being a “simulator” is not one of them.
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Right! In my opinion FS 2024 is in many ways a waste of resources. Of course MS/Asobo were interested in selling a new product to earn money, but in the end they now have to take care of two sims until support of FS2020 runs out for good.
At the moment I use FS2020 more than FS2024 due the many flaws of the new simulator. Especially during sunset and sunrise I don´t like the way the lighting changes. The sudden change of weather and clouds don´t look any good at the moment. At night the cloud textures keep changing, which ruins the immersion.
It will take a lot of time, until FS2024 will be as good as FS2020. So in a way I have the feeling we are starting from scratch.
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Do you think these sorts of minor issues will ever be corrected?
Will I be spending the next X years before the next generation of MSFS releases shaking my head at this sort of thing every time I use the sim?
I can’t be asked to write this up as a bug. I know how it will go.
At least I have the option to come here and express my sorrow that no one cares.
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And they would have deserved the money in return for a good product. But this thing just baffles me, so many stuff untested, incomplete and not working. Full price for an early access, not ok and won’t happen again. My money will stay inside my wallet.
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I certainly learned my lesson.
Never forget…
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Sadly there will be enough people preordering MSFS 2028.
I dunno. I am seeing and hearing more and more frustration expressed from under delivered launches of video games.
I get the sense the consumer is pretty sick of it.
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I’d really be happy to see it go that direction.
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I have lost all my credits and reputation in MSFS2024 due to my aircraft crashing before I have a chance to start the mission. How are you going to remedy this? This game is absolutely broken and this is beyond ridiculous. All my hours of getting credits to start my own company is all down the drain. I can’t even buy a new aircraft because I have no credits. You cannot make any decent credits unless you own your own company. I refuse to play your game and at this point I am demanding a full refund for a broken game. You guys need to compensate every single one of us that paid for a broken game and wasted our time on this crud.
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Dear MS/Asobo,
it is a shame what you delivered here. I never expected a fully polished sim, as it’s just too complex a system to have everything perfect. But the current state of the sim is just a void of nothing. About 14 months ago, I reinstalled MSFS2020 and gave it again a try. And I was hooked. I fired the sim up as often as I could. I racked up hours and hours of flight. And all this time in 2020 really made me think sometimes if I should start learning to fly in real life. I was asking myself if my career in software development was the right one all those years ago and if I would not have been more happy had I chosen to become a pilot in my youth. You triggered exactly what you told the whole world that you want to trigger with MSFS2024.
I was stoked… I couldn’t wait to install and fly in MSFS2024. I was lucky to get a slot in the alpha test last year, and this was already giving me sooooo much hope of an even better sim. When this was an alpha, I thought, as a software dev by profession and beta tester for a company building planes for MSFS, that the release version would blow us away.
Oh ■■■■ it… it did. But in a way as if I were watching the last part of Oppenheimer without welder glasses, looking directly into the fire of the abyss.
Giving your users 4 planes as compensation is a joke. This is digital data. Sure… you won’t get a few bucks more, as they will not be sold. But you get enough in the future from all the sales of 3rd party and own developments. And it’s a minimal, calculated loss. You only have to pay for the planes once (for developing them) but all the copies have no further costs for you. So what will be the “loss,” your sacrifice? A few thousand bucks… I guess it’s not even worth a remark in the annual report.
And I guess the planes will be all some easy ones, like those Brazilian ones. Nothing fancy, study level not to mention. Sorry, but this is in NO WAY a compensation for the stuff you delivered.
I’m sorry for all the devs at Asobo/MS that truly want to bring us a great sim, and I truly believe if they would have had a vote, they would have postponed the release. I do hope these poor souls won’t get burned out totally.
And to you MS/Asobo as a company… to get back to my beginning: Currently, I’m starting to feel more and more a negative feeling growing in my guts to even start the sim. And not only 2024… no, you really managed to even throw 2020 under the bus for me. Currently, I wouldn’t think about becoming a pilot. I’m currently doing more and more other stuff instead of flying around the world and seeing all the wonders of it. You did it and poisoned the good vibes of flying in the sim, be it 2024 or 2020, where it’s spilling over.
Career mode not playable, missions bugged into oblivion, planes unflyable and unstable, even setting up the controllers is not working correctly, and all the other stuff. The whole sim from start to end is a complete work in progress, and as a dev I would slap a big ALPHA behind the version number. For a dev, this state is not even a real beta… and no dev with a few brain cells left unburned would even think about calling it a release candidate or… heck… a release/production version.
You are burning your reputation here faster than a new year’s rocket fuse. If the first “big” update that is coming is not a real big improvement of the basic functions, then you cannot be saved. Forget content and cosmetics. Your first and highest priority should be to get ALL planes working fully and not with some cosmetic hot fix MacGyver-style patches (like finally enabling the copilot side controls in the PC24 - that’s no fix as long as the systems behind them are not working properly, like cabin pressure, etc. - same failure in the PC12). Bumps on runways and taxiways that just kill you and crash your plane. No lights for night flying and so on… you surely have a longer and more accurate list of fails and errors.
If you do not fix those major bugs and missing features and content that you sold to us, then it’s just nothing short of fraud and unfulfilled product features.
(Excuse my yelling now but I have to vent somehow) BUT THE BIGGEST DISSERVICE YOU PROVIDED WITH 2024 IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE… I can think of no one who would get interested so much into aviation using MSFS2024 to start a real world career in flying.
I bet my comment will get lost in the big sea of the comments and postings of the MSFS forum, and maybe it’s just my last hope to vent here and have a last glimmer of hope that somehow these few lines reach someone higher up at MS/Asobo to steer the development into the right direction away from more content that no one will have fun using as everything else is broken and more toward getting the sim fixed… at least for a short amount of time until it truly is usable.
Thanks to everyone that was brave enough to read all my whining here. I do hope it’s working better for you. And to everyone else… let’s hope for a better future. And to all poor Asobo/MS devs… stay strong, we know you could do better, but I guess the bean counters don’t let you.
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Continuing to monitor the topic and will hold off purchasing to avoid frustration. I’m very happy with MSFS 2020. It continues to play well.
I intend to purchase MSFS 2024 and a better gaming rig eventually. Right now, I will hold off on both. I’m fairly sure it will be at least 3 months, but I suspect it will be at least 6 months to a year. RTX 5080 and RTX 5070 TI do look promising. I can see them improving MSFS 2020 and eventually MSFS 2024 when they work on the bugs and streaming server issues.
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I’ll be shocked there isn’t a marketplace option to buy credits when it releases. The career system is likely meant to be a long hard slog or buy credits to progress quicker. Probably designed that way.
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Blaming Xbox users for this mess is wrong and I have to disagree with you.
We are all in this together.
The truth is that if MSFS is only able to perform properly on a few very high end gaming PC rigs that most of us cannot afford, there won’t be a sim in a few years.
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If that is the idea behind career mode I’m gonna shelf it indefinitely and find a different hobby. They should remove “simulator” from the title if that is the intention. That being said, it does give Microsoft Flight vibes 
. I hope you are wrong 
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It’s a common approach to generating income from other games no? It’s also why we may never get to do the banner activities that the sim is showcasing without enough slow progress/perseverance or via fast track bought via sim credits.