New Simmer worried about getting MSFS on XBox

LOL I can’t figure out if you’re purposefully leaving out certain core things just to sing the Xbox tune or not, with 25 years to boot. Xbox hardware is 3 years old. Unless you can take it to a shop and upgrade your ram/graphics, PC’s will have every advantage considering each update is adding or utilizing new optimization features. Xbox has a hard limit of how much can be done. Next, having your keyboard and sticking to the planes that are Xbox compatible is fine. But with a PC and Xbox, they have a different OS, one of which supports adding whatever program you want. Xbox cannot utilize pay level aircraft, support the many direct apps that affect the flying experience such as GSX, Pilot2ATC, etc. The ability to customize out of game is virtually non existent. You can argue WASM or W/E is coming, but who knows when or how that will work. Then you need to wait for developers to catch up. I’m leaning with the guy who said most “Xbox users are not OK”. Some games aren’t meant to be used on downgraded systems, like trying to play WOW on your phone.

I really don’t like this. You seem to be suggesting that the many Xbox users in this thread who are happy - delighted, even - with their choice of platform are somehow being disingenuous. I could easily, and equally without justification, say the same about PC users but that gets us nowhere and contributes nothing of value to the discussion. Of course people will have different views, but I think we should avoid accusing those we don’t agree with of posting in bad faith or of trying to mislead.

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To get back on topic….

@AROAB230874 If you have funds available and would like the option to add freeware, add on apps, VR and upgrade hardware, the PC is the best way forward as it gives you the broadest range of options.

However, if you are new to FS and are not sure how much of a commitment/ investment to make, the Xbox gives you a fantastic opportunity to experience a broad range of flying experiences. If you get the FS bug, maybe 6 months or a year down the line you want more from it, then you have the option to switch to PC. You could then (if you wanted to) sell the Xbox for 70% or more of its cost today so you wouldn’t loose much at all.

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Honestly this is what I am talking about. It’s such a big yawn now. Please get over it. You don’t even have an Xbox but feel the need to sneer about the lack of certain products one might never need. Honestly these topics are just bait for other users who resent the Xbox being able to perform so well, and the users don’t need to endlessly tweak settings, worry over the next graphics card driver whilst secretly hoping the next driver will bring some kind of revolution (I’ve been there).

Who knows how WASM will work? I don’t care particularly, as long as it does. When will it? Well Jorg has already told us that they got it working a month or so ago internally, so I don’t think there’s any big mystery.

Honestly whilst WASM being incorporated into the Xbox environment is going to upset some people who secretly quite liked the idea of an inferior platform to their own, I’m quite confident there’ll be some other aspect to feel superior about. So everyone’s happy I guess. :slight_smile:

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Has very little to do with platform superiority as much as it has to do with people who are no doubt going to start asking, wanting, and wondering why they aren’t able to have the same “experiences” or level of offerings when these new features are active which are supposed to bring the Xbox to another level with being able to include 3rd party addons. The obvious answer would be that Xbox can only go so far and that if you want the full experience or offers, PC is the way to get it. No matter how many times anyone tells people before hand it never fails that people still can’t figure out why after the next big improvement. It’s not just an Xbox issue, lots of warnings about updates and feature compatibility have been given on the PC side and the result is still the same.

I have long simmed on console (racing), and PC folks often just don’t understand when I say, “Consoles have advantages too!”

#1 Advantage: Money. Sims are an expensive hobby. You save thousands of dollars by simming on console. Folks like to look at it like, “But you can do more on a PC.” but is it worth an extra $2,500 to add more mods and configure your own graphics? To many it IS. But let’s not pretend an extra $2,500 is chump change.

#2 Advantage: Ease of use. I have no way to properly chart the hundreds of hours I have spent configuring the graphics and looking at the FPS counter in Dev Mode. I mean, I kinda like making these tweaks and adjustments but it is easy to argue for an extra $2,500 (I keep mentioning $2,500 because it would take a $3,000 PC to compete with the X) you spend less time flying and more time configuring.

#3 Advantage: It is an Xbox! You have access to all kinds of games beyond MSFS and they also work as soon as you download them with minimal fuss. It is quiet, and it fits right in with a home entertainment system and a 4K TV.

Folks know the difference between console and PC. PC certainly has its advantages too. And whenever a thread like this is made, folks will offer those advantages unsolicited. But are those advantages worth an extra $2,500? Before you look for a yoke, throttle, rudder pedals, HOTAS, or 3rd Party Addons? $2,500? Five MORE Series X consoles? PC gaming these days is quite an investment. Simming is an expensive hobby no matter how you look at it, but an extra $2,500 is a BIG ask for what you get in MSFS for that buy in compared to what you get on console for $500. MSFS on Xbox is like 80-90% there compared to PC, at 1/6th the price. To invest to get it another 10-20% better is a costly investment many would see as The Law of Diminishing Results.

I split my time between both console and PC and all I can say is I can do more things on PC, but I spend a larger percentage of my time in sim actually flying a darn plane on Xbox. And for the price, it is a steal. And if we ever get WASM working on Xbox, the remaining differences will shrink significantly.

Imagine the addons you might get if you aren’t concerned about a RAM, CPU, or GPU upgrade because the sim already runs smooth as butter right out of the box! Or if you didn’t spend an extra $2,500 just to get similar results on PC.

Finally this: We haven’t had a decent flight sim on console… ever! This is newly charted ground (or sky). And as peripheral hardware and addon software is finally developed for console, the advantages the PC holds over XBOX shrink every month. It took a while to get where we are, and there is still work to be done, but the Xbox is finally starting to pull me away from my PC. And instead of a new graphics card, I can save my money for new planes and peripherals that impact my in sim, flying experience.

/rant

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If a mid life Series X releases with 32GB of available memory then the Xbox will be the superior platform for many reasons..

No tweaking with graghics will be ever required and there will be more than enough memory reserve available for complex aircraft, Fs2020 would honestly be a beast on such a system even with the current specs of the console.

Pc can not compete with how effectively the xbox utilises and manages its memory.

As i said in my above post, the Series X has only 13gb of memory available for games, this 13gb is a shared pool of both video memory and actual Ram, with the remaining 3gb reserved for the homescreen dashboard.

Not a pc on earth with only 13gb of TOTAL memory could hold a candle to how astonishingly well the Series X runs Fs2020.. it would be an absolute slideshow lol.

In my opinion Microsoft have every reason to launch a new midlife Series X with a great increase in memory, fs2020 is their flagship exclusive and it should absolutely run flawlessly on their console (even more fantastic than it already does)

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Two things.

You keep saying XBOX is three years into this generation, which is weird since it came out a month AFTER MSFS 2020, and 2022 - 2020 by my count is 2. Will there be a mid generation update or two? Almost certainly. But even prior generations didn’t do say, a One X until years later in the life cycle. And all the same games still ran on the vanilla One. A new console is not coming for at least another year. Traditionally the first update is just a smaller, cooler, cheaper version of the original console(s). Probably at LEAST another two or three before we will get this generation’s version of a One X or a PS Pro. None (besides a cloud gaming unit) have been officially announced.

Also, RAM on console does not = RAM on PC. Yes, more is better, but a console doesn’t have to run Windows. Modern consoles always outperform PC’s with similar RAM. And your argument completely ignores the simple fact that the inferior Series S console has ALSO run MSFS at 30 FPS since console release. 8 GB RAM.

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Just touching on the RAM comment, it’s actually a miss conception that the Series X and Series S have 16Gb and 8Gb of RAM respectively. They don’t, they actually have 16Gb of total memory in the series X and 8Gb of total memory in the Series S, its not just Ram, but total memory.

For example the 16Gb of Memory in the Series X is the total pool of memory available when you combine the RAM, Video Memory and Dedicated dasboard memory.

Where as with PC if you had 16Gb of RAM, and say a 2070 for example that also has an additional 8Gb of Video Memory just on the card alone, then your total memory pool would be 24Gb.

See the difference? This is what i mean when i say that the current consoles are shockingly low on memory reserve. With such little memory both the Series X and S have absolutely no business running Fs2020 as well as they do lol

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I wasn’t even going to touch that! Glad you did.

There are advantages to making a program for specific hardware and from day one, it seems MSFS was designed to work on this generation of consoles and Asobo was contracted to do the task. It really is remarkable what they get away with compared to a PC with the same general specs.

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I’m talking about Xbox not pc. The poster asked about performance on xbox.

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What makes you so sure of a refresh? We haven’t even seen any titles fully utilising the hardware. Apart from flight simulator maybe.

I don’t care about the numbers. It runs beautifully and smoothly on SX. A PC by comparison would naturally need more total memory as there’s a lot more going on.

So you can’t apply that PC memory analogy to consoles - they are optimised out of the box for game performance. It’s got more than enough memory. I’ve yet to run into any performance or stability issues in any SX game.

It doesn’t have “more than enough memory” the lack of memory is why IndiaFoxTecho had to release a separate version of thier F-35 for the Xbox with lower resolution textures and various avionics systems completely removed..

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Because the midlife updates are the way they all drive more sales.

Can’t speak for Xbox as I don’t use it but I bought myself a reasonable gaming laptop solely for MSFS and you can get one for not much more than a series X. Smaller screen granted but I presume with multi screen you could attach a larger one if you wanted, just one thing I would caution..make sure it has at least 16gb ram. UK for a laptop with 4-6gb graphics card you can get one between 700 -1k that will do a decent job. But if that’s a stretch too far, I’m sure the Xbox will be just fine and get better.

I’m not sure what kind of performance Series X gets with this sim, but you can run it fine on more like $1500 PC with the default Ultra graphics settings on 1440p. Up to 70 FPS or so.

Good observation. :rofl: :sweat_smile: :laughing: :grin: :smile:

Get it on PC. With recent downgrade of graphics on Xbox that’s probably going to take them months to fix, my confidence in the console version is shaken and wouldn’t recommend it to anyone.

They know exactly what’s causing it and even explained it in the Q and A. Are people that impatient? MSFS 2020 came out in 2020 and I didn’t join in until October this year, not on a console but you get the point. Good things happen to those who wait, oh it’s 2022…

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