[Polls] World Update XI: Canada Discussion

This is a dilemma to me now wether to keep WU11 or back to default and on my side, the lags and pauses are the most noticeable over grand Montreal area…

I wish we can simply disable a WU without uninstalling it.

And I wish there was a setting in the Data / Photogrammetry where we can still have WUs installed, but can toggle between no photogrammetry, keep the default photogrammetry coverage or the one from WUs.

EDIT: Concerning lags and pauses, I removed WU11 and I think it might not be related… I think there is a glitch related to the Sim Rate that by accident I increased and now if I decrease seems to not reset 100% to 1x and seems as real default rate is in between. I really think that Adding a Sim Rate Reset + indicator at least in Dev Mode, could help us know what Sim Rate we are at. And reset it… Like in previous FS versions. Thanks

Photogrammetry in Montreal too please :slight_smile:

You can disable wu pg for instance

Go to your content manager - canada -three dots on the right - de-select the pg option

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I hope this isn’t cross-posting, but someone has created a Vancouver Improvement Mod and has so far made fixes to the photogrammetry for the downtown Vancouver and False Creek area. It has made VFR flying around downtown Vancouver enjoyable again for me.

Thanks, I did not know we can do that.

I am reinstalling without PG. Since MSFS initial release, I never thought clicking on the 3 dots :face_with_peeking_eye: :slight_smile:

A gent did Wonderland back in July 2022… (freeware on flightsim.to). and it still looks ok after wu11. (This replaces Bing PG with Google 3d data).

LINK: Canada's Wonderland for Microsoft Flight Simulator | MSFS

Fix it with non-melting PG! Perhaps spend a wee bit of time looking at the product.
Build some handcrafted POI for some of our most important landmarks, and buildings in the biggest and most popular cities, fix the Vancouver Ports/Harbour, look at the bridges, towers. Work on the biggest tourist location water falls: Niagara! (as total mess). If they can’t fix the PG, then revert to previous WU11… (which is what we did by removing canada-tin folder/contents). But it is in their corner, they have the control here and It’'s sure not fair for freeware 3rd party dev to have to fix this “production” sim.

Yes but for testing purposes I needed to DL all of it, then test which was causing the worst graphical display and then turn it off/on to test different locations.
(Anything can be turned on or off: one doesn’t need a "gui or front-end content manager to do that as it only installs what you want or deletes what you don’t want)

Thank you so much for posting this issue, it certainly needs addressing and has gone ignored for a long time.

How do you propose they do this? I’ll be open, and let you know it’s a probing question to see how much you know of what you are actually asking. When I asked you before about how they fix the “melted PG”, telling them to replace it with non-melting PG tells me you don’t have a firm grasp of what’s going on, or the depth of what you ask.

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Hi I would say your picture does not look as it should? I just finished the Rockies Bush trip yes I had some places that did look sparse but in general it was good. What I noticed was a memory problem on leg 2 and 3 where I had to restart the simulator because of a memory error? Don’t know if it was a code error, memory leak or memory problem but this is the only time that I have ever seen this error?





Now the problem error:

This happened when I landed at the designated airport when I selected to go to the next leg. It did register the leg as completed.

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A probing question to me? Asking the wrong person. Perhaps probe the devs or those who released WU11? I have never claimed to be a developer, scenery designer or have the necessary knowledge to be able to produce or generate content for this sim or suggest the fixes to the pg problem.

We all have purchased this “production” product created by the “professionals” at Asobo/microsoft which is their field of work.

This forum is the documentation of findings and the sim communities evaluation of this wu11 production update and all of our efforts to obtain support to get it rectified.
I could go into all of the details again but that would be just re-hash of what is posted in more than 900 posts above in this forum and many other sites postings concerning WU11. (IE: WU Canada is out - Page 21 - Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) - The AVSIM Community)

On a higher level, most of us are simply the consumers here. It is not up to us to create solutions to fix the problems, we just bought the product and install the content and in this forum we are simply conveying the issues found and are seeking support to the developer to rectify.

My point was that Asobo didn’t create the PG data, so you cannot ask them to fix it. You seem to assume that they did. I don’t know where they source the data, but I assume they source what is available. What their policy is with regard to choice i.e. do they buy the cheapest they can get, I have no idea.

And even if they did, what you ask is non-trivial.

“If you could just go out and re-image that entire city for me, for hours on end, that would be great. Then spend the next few weeks or months tidying it up, and then give it to me for free. Thanks!”

That is in effect what you ask. We all want better PG, but I have an inkling of what it takes to deliver so I don’t shoot them down in flames if it sometimes comes up short.

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PG is a new technology in the way it’s used in MSFS, I’m sure it will improve over the years. Secondly, PG data is very limited and expensive, so there are definitely a number of issues that makes it much more complex than just “they should just fix it”.

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I do understand your points guys- that they can’t directly fix the source of the pg data or that pg is expensive and more complex. We know this. It was my point was that it was their choice or decision to use that lessor quality source of PG in wu11.

I still do not understand why a lessor pg data source would be used especially when there was a graphically better source of pg data already in place. A quick Q&A would have brought a quick resolve: a no brainer! The better pg would/should have been used and not a product that would degrade the update or overall product.

For myself, the only way to maintain a reasonable graphical display for Canada was to revert to the pre-wu11 pg content by removing the "canada-tin " folder. We had to figure that out but glad it worked.

(Also refer to forum posts: CN Tower is worse in World Update 11)

Anyways, no use kicking a dead horse, I’m sure “they” all know by now that the update was not well accepted, and the ball is in their court, so to speak.

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According to the NAV CANADA Aerodrome directory (08 September 2022-03 November 2022), CYZF is supposed to have the tower and ground manned from 14-05Z. I flew there and landed around 19Z (11 am Pacific time). There’s a tower there, but the ATC Window only shows General Traffic frequency.

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Am I missing something?

In content manager, I can’t find Canada, and I don’t see 3 dots anywhere…can you please give more details.

The “3 dots” appear depending on what you have selected (on top in small red circle). Otherwise, just delete the PG cities:

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Thanks, it seems it never got installed.

World Updates you would have to (free buy) from the Marketplace. These are not automatically installed when they come out.

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