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Your ATC is local to you only. It sees AI traffic and will control them and you. It does not, however, see other multiplayer traffic that you can see. Each “live” player has their own unique ATC that’s blissfully unaware of any other real players that you can see. So there’s zero interactivity between you and other players via your ATC.

That’s why if you want a realistic experience, it’s best to either join one of the networks like Vatsim or just turn off multiplayer. If you’re ok with ignoring other live players, then keep it on.

There’s no need for goarounds. You can readily ignore other live players and fly right through them. But that’s the price you pay for having multiplayer enabled.

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As I’ve said before…

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And this is why you don’t use multiplayer if you’re trying to stay true to real world procedures. If you’re trying to use real world procedures, having multiplayer enabled doesn’t have any benefits. Expecting others in a multiplayer environment to conform to your “rules” is like expecting a bull not to charge at you because you’re a vegetarian.

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You probably don’t understand to my reply,

no problem. Simply use not in sim built weather with Vatsim as ifr proc training is what made smile to me. Don’t worry, I’m on Vatsim quite long time (2007) and also with irl experience. I can’t imagine now internal Vatsim weather as that right solution for serious training, maybe in FS9 times. Never used Multiplayer because if that mentioned ‘rules’… Simply, my idea is ask to expected object if he allow me to do my expected procedures, as first seriously. If no then i don’t disturb him. This is pure chaos what gives now on nultiplayer, nothing against…

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Here’s the bottom line:
Now with COVID 19 lockdowns (hopefully) behind us, and air travel/traffic has increased by a good margin, The Sim’s live traffic is aplenty. Heathrow in the morning is a madhouse, to the point of not being able to get a word in edgewise with ATC. EDDF, KSEA, CYYZ, CYVR, Airports in New York, LA- Pretty much any major International Airport has got it going on traffic-wise.

Now ok, Live Traffic aint perfect, it has it’s quirks -we all know what they are, but for the most part these quirks can be ignored. But ATC CAN see live AI, and interact with it, and it can see and interact with you. Which is as close as you’re gonna get to procedure, short of flying on Vatsim, or any other virtual network out there.

The answer is simple: Turn off Live players or all players. If you don’t want live players potentially interacting with you, that is the only card you have. And that ain’t bad right now, for the aforementioned reasons.

MSFS is a platform for people of all flavors. Those who want to learn, those who want to have fun, those who take it seriously, and those who want to do whatever their hearts desire. I’ve said it before, none of us have the right to tell anyone how to fly their sim, therefore we have options to fly how we like, with who and what we like.

“But there should be some kind of code of conduct of flying in the sim…yada yada yada” On vanilla MSFS? Never gonna happen, for a myriad of reasons, many of them technical in nature. If you want code of conduct with real people, go fly vatsim if you have the sand.

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This!!!
This this this!

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I enjoy remote GA flying and it is exciting to meet another player down in a canyon, or out over a desert expanse, or taxiing at a lonely airfield over looking a cliff, or watching the tubeliners pass wayyyy up overhead. MP is a real bonus for me.

I get no enjoyment from being buzzed or escorted during my GA flying. I’m not demanding hyper realism or rule following, it’s simply that I would rather not have to see or hear it while I’m doing me. MP can also be a downer for me.

Both of these statements are simple and should be easy to understand even if you don’t feel the same way.

Adding an ignore feature in MP isn’t going to affect anyone’s enjoyment of the game except the person using it to their personal benefit. I see zero reason to argue and fret about the request.

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I’m imagining a bunch of bush pilots out enjoying a nice day getting buzzed by F-18s. Oh well, it’s their right to impose on others!

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A CoC sounds like a nightmare for MS, but an ignore button would seemingly be an easy fix!

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All of this is why I turned off MP months ago. When I want to fly around live traffic (meaning controlled by other humans) I get on Vatsim and things work as intended; no goofballs doing loops over class B airports in airliners etc.

This is just another example of the sim being many things to many people. There are plenty of folks who just want to mess around in a multiplayer sandbox, and MP traffic is great for that. For those who want something else, MP traffic is easy to turn off.

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Let’s be honest here. If you’re trying to be true to real life, why would you have multiplayer enabled?
Oh come on isnt that a bit selfish? One of the big differences between MSFS and say FSX is that with MSFS Microsoft have attempted to enlarge the customer base.
This comes at a slight cost to ‘serious simmers’ (whoever they are) as some people just want to Play a Game and dont really care much for the serious flying.
So the Multiplayer facility was a major addition to this Sim and enjoyed by many.
Just go with the flow. We have had this conversation in a way about people sitting at the end of the runway for ever. Well there arent any collisions so just live and let live please.

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TLDR: I wonder if rather than player ignoring, we had AIRCRAFT TYPE ignore? If you could ignore all aerobatic aircraft and warbirds, then the problem mostly solves itself. It’s mostly a server filtering feature, but they’d need to add granular categorization tags to all the airframes.

As someone who is guilty of the occasional aileron roll over a landing bushplane in my Spitfire, my bad. :laughing: I’m really just saying hello, and then flying off. Because there’s no active voice com’s in MSFS. :neutral_face: Maybe, I’m subconsciously :muscle: that I can operate the Spit without blowing the engine up. #AchievementUnlocked :laughing:

Generally speaking, MS/Asobo seems to have intended:

  • LIVE mode to be more rules abiding
  • ALL PLAYERS to be a free for all
  • PRIVATE/GROUP for “You F18’s get off my Lawn!” flying.
  • Unfortunately, REALITY mode w/ FAA eCFR Part 91 Compliance is currently impossible without a nanny AI. MS needs a proper AI ATC system to stepping stone up to compliance enforcement. VATSIM is super strict for this reason replacing AI with voluntary people & permanent bans.

If you turn on Live Traffic (possible VATSIM, AI, etc) and go Private, then you will still see FEDEX flying around with SPEEDBIRDs aplenty, but without pesky immersion breakers.

I’m personally 90% certain this is one of the 2-3 main reasons plane collisions are non-existent.

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Pffffttt… F/A-18, what a lame duck! Here I come with my Pelican! Get out of my way, sleepers :slight_smile:

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Well no, it’s not selfish. It’s just common sense. Multiplayer is everything that real life isn’t. By enabling multiplayer you’re already telling the sim that you’re not interested in real world procedures. “Selfish” would be going on multiplayer and expecting everyone to behave in the way you want them to.

However, I do agree with the latter part of your post. There are no collisions, so just live and let live. That’s pretty much what I do when I’m on multiplayer. I understand that the “no collisions” is still immersion breaking for some people. These are the people my initial comment was aimed at. If you’re happy enough to ignore people to enjoy your experience, then my comment doesn’t apply to you.

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Just out of interest, what cargo were you carrying?

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I will never tell… :potted_plant: :crazy_face:

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Probably, the best option :slightly_smiling_face:

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See, I love it when this happens…I’ll usually give a little wave of my wings in greeting.

I like to see who’s out and about and I enjoy the free-for-all.

Doesn’t change the way I ‘fly’ and it’ makes life interesting

JMHO, YMMV etc…

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OK. I chose my words not carefully enough. Sorry about that.
Yes its annoying but as we agree also ignorable.
MS have made the group facility available. So one could exclude the people messing around.
But that isnt perfect either. It means having to create groups.
The ‘losers’ (if that is the right word) in all this are the ‘serious’ simmers.
People who want to stick to the rules etc.
But I suppose the moment we saw the Sim advertised as a ‘GAME’ serious simmers were always
going to lose out somewhere. Basically combining the option to play games, messing around as this ‘escort’ issue demonstrates together with the option to seriously fly a plane was always going to screw things for serious flyers. The two dont really mix.
It is what it is.

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perfectly valid opinions. Some like it, some hate it.
But I dont think Multiplayer mode was ever designed and intended as a means to annoy other users.
And it seems to me that THAT is the issue.

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I also have no issue with multiplayer and the actions of others. TBH its difficult for me to understand how anybody could be termed a “griefer” in MSFS…yes, if people could shoot you out of the sky, crash into you etc, then yes, that would be griefing.
If somebody doesnt feel the actions of others fits their play style then you have options - turn off multiplayer, use Vatsim or any other mod to make it how you want.
Like wise, I don’t understand why anybody would want to fly an FA-18 or F-16 in MSFS when DCS gives you the full experience of flying those aircraft. I haven’t flown any fighter jet in MSFS because I know that it wont match the experience in DCS.