Bravo Throttle Quadrant

The video above is awesome I set mine up yesterday took about an hour or so .

Since setting up and using different profiles within MSFS is a pain I recommed looking for FSUIPC 7…the registered version allows creating profiles aircraft specific.
Load the FSUIPC along with MSFS and then load the aircraft you want. → FSUIPC selects a previously created profile seemlessly.
Switch aircraft and FSUIPC again loads the correct profile.

I am using a Saitek Yoke and additional quadrant for a total of 6 levers. Depending on the type of aircraft as throttle 1 2 prop 1 2 mixture 1 2 or throttle 1-4 etc etc.

1 Like

Yeah, it helped a lot. I would however make one change…
In the Twin Engine Jet setup, he uses levers One and Two from the set.
Third Lever Instead
If you use levers One and Three, you can twist the number on the white piece to reflect engine “2” instead of “3” and then you have the correct levers that actually face each other instead of both facing the right. I’ll see if I can find another photo to explain what I mean.

[Edit: Okay, here is a shot of the correct lever usage:


If that makes sense. It’s not a big deal, but the OCD in me says yeah, that’s better… and it feels right.]

2 Likes

I believe “SimFanatic” has a good Youtube video about using the right throttle(s) in the two-engine jets (CJ4 and A320).

Also, you don’t have to create a profile each time you fly, you just have to select your pre-made profile in Controls for the aircraft you’re going to use. For example, the “complex single” profile would apply to the Bonanza, the DA40, X-Cub, Cessna 208 Caravan, etc.

I have different profiles for the A320 and the CJ4 since I use the thrust reversers on the A320 but the CJ4 does not have them, even though these individual profiles are largely based on the “2 engine jet” profile.

Like other specific profiles for games or hardware, make a copy, edit as you like, and then rename and save.

In fact, i received my Bravo yesterday and am trying out just using two profiles.

My main profile has lever 1 as speed brake, 2 and 3 as throttles, 4 as prop control, 5 is mixture and 6 is positioning flaps. With this config it seems that I can fly any aircraft, from the single GA all up to the 787. All I need to do is stick the right levers on, and remove and cover up what is not needed.

So for ex. for the 152 I put up just the GA throttle and mixture lever and cover up the other slots. For the 787 I put both commercial levers, speed brake and Flaps on and remove the prop and mixture. Works perfectly fine so far.

Note that for the 747 you need a different profile however, replacing prop and mix with throttle levers 3 and 4.

1 Like

There are quite a few posts on this which are relevant. In very brief summary, you can configure the throttle easily using the in-sim mappings by following the videos by rmag (I link them below). Note that there are a couple of “fix” videos of his that are really well worth watching. However, before you do that, make sure you download and run the software from Honeycomb that enables the LEDs on the throttle. Link is here:

Here are rmag’s videos (which are excellent):

This one covers fixing the throttle 2 mapping issue (DEFINITELY start with this one):

This one shows how to set up 5 different aircraft types:

This one shows how to fix the IAS autopilot light not working:

This one shows how to fix a potential sim rate control conflict (not something I experienced):

This one is a brief tutorial on how to use the autopilot controls for the Bravo:

And finally, this one shows how to set up controls specific to the TBM 930 if that’s your plane of choice:

Once you’ve followed all these through, pretty much you are good to go. As he says in the first video, you can map whatever switches you want to the seven switches on the quadrant - and make sure you do that before copying all the mappings so you only have to do it once.

HOWEVER - the Bravo throttle suffers from the same bug that the Alpha yoke suffers from - namely the control acceleration bug where many of the controls in the cockpit are “accelerated” by a factor of 10. This means that things like the heading can only be changed by 10 degree increments, altitude by 1000 feet increments and it also makes trim 10x more sensitive.

There are a lot of threads on this issue, but you can vote here to get the bug raised up the priority list to be resolved:

There are ways around this issue - many referenced in the threads I’ve linked. Personally I’ve gone for FSUIPC which gives much greater control over the mappings and sensitivities but is not very user friendly. It is very powerful, but complex.

Some advantages:

  • Much better mapping control (e.g. you can map one of the switches on the Bravo to a TOGGLE X setting in the sim - normally if you do this, the switch keeps “throwing” the toggle and the switch in the cockpit will appear to vibrate as the switch is being constantly thrown. FSUIPC enables mappings that don’t do this).
  • Much better sensitivity controls on axes than via the sim
  • [this is a big one] you set up profiles and associate aircraft with profiles. When you change aircraft, FSUIPC automatically applies the pre selected profile for that plane - I like this one a lot - especially given the flexibility of the throttle with the various axes etc

As I said, the downside is that it’s not that user friendly. However, the manual is very well written and it’s not like you need to understand coding - but you do need to be a bit “tech savvy”. In many ways, the hard part is knowing which sim control to actually map. Trial and error works well here!

To get it to work properly with the Bravo (and Alpha) you need to install extra LUA scripts. These scripts allow FSUIPC to “see” all 48 buttons on the Bravo/Alpha as the normal Windows limit is 32. Installation is simple enough. Download the scripts, put them in the FSUIPC folder you created when you installed FSUIPC and then add a few lines to the INI file for FSUIPC.

See this post for where to download (you’ll need an account for the forum that is linked to be able to download, but that’s free registration):

See this post for what to put in the INI file:

Note that FSUIPC is not free - it is 30 euros. I know, more money on top of the expensive Bravo (although I think that is worth every penny). The free version of FSUIPC does not allow control mapping. You can buy it on simmarket. Note that I am in no way associated with FSUIPC.

There are other ways around the accelerated input issue - just skim through the threads I’ve linked.

This thread will also be of interest

Hope this is of some use to everyone.

11 Likes

Excellent post.

1 Like

The free solution to avoid the acceleration bug is using vJoy & Joystick Gremlin
Here’s a link to the post where I’ve posted my solution which works perfect

2 Likes

Thanks for posting - helps complete the options available.

Does this solution allow different configurations for each aircraft?

Thanks

I only fly GA and no jets

The profile I posted is for your single engine complex plane like the Caravan

For planes like the 152 and 172 I’ve created a separate Bravo profile and have cleared the assignments assigned to lever 2(the middle blue lever) as that is not used

For the TBM I’ve created a profile similar to rmags video and unassigned the 3rd lever as it’s not used

And for twin engine props I’ve just created a profile that assigns the appropriate functions across all 6 levers

As per the videos, suggest you set up the switches BEFORE you set up all of the configurations. Mentioning this from a friend. :slight_smile:

1 Like

yup the throttle, pitch & mixture are the easy part
once you have the switches and autopilot done I did the complex single levers and the used that as a default to build the other profiles from

The Alpa only needs the one configuration

An alternative is to use an external tool like SPAD.NeXT to handle the bindings, and with that you can create profiles which are aircraft dependent, and will auto-switch depending on which plane you fly.

wow spad.next looks interesting; can that be used with any controller like the Bravo and Alpha?

A more general solution would be if the sim remembered which set of controller profiles you used the last time you flew a certain aircraft.

3 Likes

I can’t see any reason why not, as long as you bind the right axes.

I have used the Bravo Throttle Quadrant for five days and am extremely satisfied with the usability. I have an Honeycomb yoke and Saitek rudder control. I reassigned the seven switches: Park Brake; Pitot Heat; Anti Ice; Panel Lights; Yaw Damper; External Camera; Drone Camera. The switches were configured (from factory) for the external lights which were redundant with the yoke switches. I went to the sensitivity check and ensured that all six levers were operational. The gear down lights and annunciator lights don’t work. I will trouble shoot later on. I fly the turbo props and am happy to report that the beta/ reverse throttle control works just fine. I set up for twin engine recip with prop amd mix. I just use the correct control with a single engine aircraft and did not have to reconfigure for turbo prop control. Again, I am extremely happy with the unit.

Hey guys, regarding the 10 degree heading bug issue and controller constant state switches.

A question covering this has been posted to the new Dev Q & A submission forum here:

Please go VOTE and lets see if we can get this on the list for the January Q & A session!

2 Likes

The fix for the gear lights/annunciator lights is a driver download from the Honeycomb website here:

3 Likes

This honeycomb patch kept crashing my flight sim. Is a newer version now available?

1 Like